I am descended from Robert Osborne who married Parthenia/Tryphena Trevailor and am very interested in who Robert Osborne's parent are. I have seen Ancestry trees that show he is descended from Bernard (Barnard) Osborn and Ann Robins, but have not been able to find any evidence of this relationship, so am hoping that some fellow researchers might be able to provide some assistance.
I have come across some of the threads regarding the Michell family of Zennor, but I'm interested in how the Bernard Osborne family is associated with the Michell family of Zennor. I know a John Osborne married a Mary Michell in Morvah in 1659, but curious about the Zennor Connection.
Bernard Osborn was a witness to the will of John Michell, yeoman of Zennor in 1698 (AP/M/1515) - mentioned in previous posts. wife Luce, sons John & George and daughter Elizabth and there is a mention in the will of Robert Michell, gentleman of Zennor in 1724 (AP/M/1937) of Ann Osborne, widow and Mary Robins and Grace Robin, spinsters, beneficiaries of Robert Michell's will. Some Ancestry trees note Ann Robins as the mother of Robert Osborne, but I have not come across any wills of the Robins family to provide evidence.
Has anyone got any insights to these relationships?
Post by dtarkington on Feb 2, 2021 12:41:11 GMT -5
I too am a descendant of Robert Osborne (1692-1757) and Parthenia Trevailier. I have been trying to confirm whether the Bernard Osborne who was born in 1675 was the one who married Anne Pinnes in 1690 and was Robert's father or whether the more senior Bernard born in 1642 and married Jane Veale in 1674 was the one who married Anne and that Jane had died before then
Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 3, 2021 14:19:30 GMT -5
I did a lot of work piecing together the various Michell/Mitchell families in West Cornwall last year and I have previously made attempts at solving the Osborne problem but so far have been unable to do so. The major hurdle is the loss of registers and the state of surviving registers for Zennor and Towednack as well as the lack of Wills for the relevent people involved.
A similar query about Robert Osborne appeared a few years back and there is a comment I made back then that needs to be made again.
In my opinion it is unlikely that Robert was a son of Bernard Osborne. Yes, he had a son of that name but that son was the last of nine known children and the FIFTH son in the family. But having said that I must also admit it strange that of five sons and four daughters no child was named for either of the parents of Parthenia Trevailor - James and Jane!
Nevertheless, the fact that there was a son named Bernard suggests a possible connection to one of the Bernard Osborns somewhere along the line. Robert may have had a brother of that name or perhaps an uncle and it is possible the connection could be even a little more distant than that.
I have always been of the opinion that Robert Osborn's parents may have been John and Elizabeth - hence the names of his first two children - but that also cannot be proved on available evidence.
As a matter of interest the third son of Robert and Parthenia was named Matthew ..... another Osborn name of the time.
I have done a lot of research on Osbornes over the years, being a descendant of the family myself, and while some relationships have become evident, others remain a mystery owing largely to the limited survival of the relevant records. It does look like most if not all of the West Penwith Osbornes were related to each other, but not necessarily closely. This is because it was a relatively uncommon surname there during the period in question. In relation to Barnard/Bernard: the elder Barnard was a son of John Osborne the Constable, and his wife Mary. This Bernard is presumed, probably correctly, to be the same Bernard who married Jane Veale. However I do NOT believe that the supposed year of birth of 1642 is correct. There are no surviving PRs/BTs for that year in Zennor or in Morvah. As to whether or not the Bernard of 1675 is the same Bernard who married Ann (whose surname I incidentally have as being Robins, not Pinnes) in 1690, while some researchers have shown this, it is just an assumption, and one which I am inclined not to support as I don't think you would see folk marrying at 15 years of age at that time. A remarriage of the senior Bernard is therefore much more likely. I too felt that the occurrence of a son Bernard in the family of Robert and Parthenia Osborn was insufficient evidence to conclude that this Robert was therefore a son of Bernard. Nor do we even know that this Robert was born in 1692. His christening has not been found. As for the names of Robert's children not including the names of Parthenia's parents, I would point out that we don't have the marriage record for this couple (i.e. Robert and Parthenia) either, and so there may have been older children born to this couple and for whom christening records have not survived. From what I have seen, it appears that the Osbornes were happy to name some of their children after extended family and not just after immediate ones. "Matthew" is a case in point, as I cannot find any evidence that any of the later Matthew Osbornes were descended from the original one.
Last Edit: Feb 5, 2021 10:27:59 GMT -5 by trencrom
Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 5, 2021 12:37:36 GMT -5
I would point out that we don't have the marriage record for this couple (i.e. Robert and Parthenia) either,
Quite true and I agree that it is 'possible' there may have been earlier children. However, based on known information, I would suggest it slightly less than likely.
Parthenia Trevailer was baptised at Ludgvan 5th November 1696 to James Trevailer (married Jane Williams at Ludgvan 14th January 1686os) (There can be little doubt about her identity as she is the only one of that name found in the baptism records of the OPC and the entire England Births and Christenings 1538-1975 database on FamilySearch)
Parthenia's known siblings were Mary (bp. October 1687), William (b. 16th March 1689os), Elizabeth (bp. 1st October 1693) and Jane (bp. 27th July 1701) all baptised at Ludgvan. (ref Ludgvan Parish Register)
I should note also that James and Jane Trevailor both appear to have been buried at Ludgvan (19th October 1732 and 27th January 1738os respectively) so the family does appear to have been Ludgvan-based throughout.
William Trevailer (Parthenia's brother) married Synobia Phillips at Zennor 29th June 1722. He wrote his Will 19th September 1753 and it was proved at Ludgvan 4th May 1768. In that Will he mentiones the following:-
sister Mary wife of William Thomas (married 13th May 1716 Ludgvan) sister Elizabeth wife of Joseph Bawden (possibly Joseph Boden of Perranuthnoe and Elizabeth Treviler of St Hilary married 27th April 1736 at St Hilary) sister Parthenia wife of Robert Osborn sister Jane wife of James Potter (married 13th November 1731 at Phillack) wife Noabia was named residual legatee and Executrix The Will was witnessed by John Curnow and James Nicholls.
So this establishes beyond doubt that Parthenia was indeed the daughter of James and Jane Trevailer baptised at Ludgvan in 1696. And it also suggests that, at least under normal circumstances, the marriage to Robert Osborn should have taken place at either Ludgvan or Zennor.
Now, as Parthenia was baptised in 1696 (and probably born the same year) and as the first known child was baptised at Zennor 26th June 1719 then the marriage should have taken place probably not before the end of 1702 by which time Parthenia would have age 16 and not later than 1719.
It is at this point that we strike the real dilemma. Records for Ludgvan are actually very good and particularly from the period from around 1700 onwards and the last 10 years of the first register (1563-1711) shows no evidence of a marriage or any children for Robert Osborn. The next register is equally as good and quite legible and again there is no evidence of any Osborn baptisms or marriages prior to 1719. Zennor is a different matter with, except for some scattered Bishops Transcripts, little that is legible of the first register prior to 1713. However the register is quite good from 1713 onwards and any entries that might be a little difficult to read can, for the most part, be found in the Bishops Transcripts. But once again, for the period 1713 onwards there is not one baptism recorded for a child of Robert Osborn until that of son John on June 26th 1719.
If you check FamilySearch (and cross-reference with the OPC) you will find five Osborn baptisms at St Just to father Robert. For three of those the mother is recorded as Mary and for a fourth she is Elizabeth leaving the remaining baptism with only the father's name recorded. But that particular event was back in 1706 and some 13 years prior to the first known child of Robert and Parthenia. And all of those baptisms can be account for with the marriages of Robert Osborne to Elizabeth Williams at St Just in 1706 and Robert Osborne to Mary Warren at St Just in 1711.
Finally - there is, I think, just one Parish that might be considered a likely abode for Robert Osborne and for which records prior to 1720 might be lacking and that parish is Towednack. Yet even so we do have BTs for 1711, 1714 and 1715 in the FamilySearch BT collection and I also have a copy of the Transcripts of Towednack BTs by Dr J Hambley Rowe which covers the years 1708, 1711 and 1714-1720 yet again there are no records for Robert Osborn.
My conclusion therefore is that it is highly unlikely there were any children to Robert and Parthenia prior to 1719 and that the marriage probably took place about 1718 or 1719 but may never have been entered into the register.
Remember also that during the period 1719 to 1740 there were nine children baptised to Robert and Parthenia.