Carter/Jeffree

[genie]

I have Hannah Carter who married James Beare in 1857. On the marriage certificate Hannah's father was stated as James a tin miner deceased, and that is where the problem begins.
I even contacted the registrar to find if a mistake was made by them when writing the details as James.

Hannah was born in Camborne and this is stated through the census' even when she was living at Marazion.

Hannah's mother was called Hannah/Anna and she was a widow in the 1841 census. (Her daughter was born before 1837.) Hannah/Anna was living at Roseworthy during the census and after she married Isiah Jeffree, Hannah the daughter, was living with them.
Eventually the Jeffree's moved to Marazion.

No-one has been able to find a James as the father of Hannah but there is a thought that he may have been Charles.
Hannah/Anna was a Floyd.

[Cornish Terrier]

Genie - have just tried to have a look at some Camborne stuff but the link is not available.

As I have more stuff to look at I would appreciate it if you would send me a Private Message to remind me to try and track this down for you.

Will do what I can as soon as I can.

[genie]

Hannah/Anna's father was called Thomas Floyd a miner from Gwinear and her mother was called Sara.

Thomas was still alive when Hannah/Anna married Isiah Jeffree.

[Cornish Terrier]

A couple of odds and ends to see if we can solve the puzzle.

William CARTER s/o Charles & Anne of near Roseworthy, miner, bp. 30th March 1833 at Camborne
Amelia CARTER d/o Charles & Hannah of Roseworthy in Gwinear, miner, bp. 27th September 1834 at Camborne
Amelia CARTER, age 14 months, of Roseworthy Wood in Gwinear (died of Palsy) bur. 8th November 1835 at Camborne
Hannah CARTER d/o CHARLES & HANNAH of Roseworthy, miner, bp. 2nd April 1836 at Camborne

Thomas FLOYD m. Sarah THOMAS 28th May 1803 at Gwinear

Anna FLOYD d/o Thomas & Sarah bp. 16th September 1804 at Gwinear
Thomas FLOYD s/o Thomas & Sarah bp. 19th April 1807 at Gwinear
Hannah FLOYD d/o Thomas & Sarah bp. 16th December 1810 at Gwinear

Isaiah JEFFREE m. Anna CARTER in the Redruth R.D. in the last Qtr of 1843 vol. 9 pg. 292

Now, I have been unable to find a Death for Charles (James?) CARTER that is even close to being the man we are searching for.

I suspect he died sometime before July 1837 as he does not appear in St Catherine's House Death Index.
If this is the case then he was not buried at Camborne. This means he was probably buried at Gwinear but I do not have access to those records.

I think CHARLES is definately the correct name and it is not unusual to find the name of a parent incorrectly recorded on a Marriage Certificate, particularly when the (in this case) Bride was probably less than 4 years old when he father died.

HOWEVER - here is something else to throw into the mix.

The 1841 Census provides this of interest:-

Praze, Camborne

James Carter, age 35, copper miner
Jane Carter, age 40
James Carter, age 12
William Carter, age 10
HANNAH Carter, age 8
Thomas Carter, age 6
Samuel Carter, age 4
John Carter, age 4 months

In 1851 at Roseworthy Hill, Camborne I found:-

Isiah Jeffree, head, mar, 34, labourer, bn. Camborne
Anna, wife, mar, 38, bn. Camborne
Anna Carter, unm, daughter-in-law, 15, bn. Camborne
(along with other Jeffree children aged 7 and under)

The James and Jane Carter family (above) are at St Cleer and show that James and Jane were both born at Gwinear and all their children at St Ives.

In 1861 we have JOSIAH Jeffree (44) bn. Camborne with wife ANNE (48) bn. Gwinear along with their sons.

So it is all a little confusing.

At this time (1861) James BEAR, age 27, bn. Ludgvan was living at Gulval with his wife Hannah, age 25, bn. Camborne and their three children - Mary Jane, 3, bn. Ludgvan, Catherine, 2, bn. Ludgvan and Sarah Ann, 1 mth, bn. Gulval

That is about all I can do for now but still suggest that CHARLES CARTER is the man.

[genie]

The James and Jane Carter family at St.Cleer can be discounted as I have been in contact with a descendant and they aren't the family of Hannah.

As Hannah/Anna was living at Roseworthy during the 1841 and 1851 census it does seem to be that Charles is the father of Hannah.
I think that in the 1851 census it could mean that Hannah was stepdaughter perhaps?

Although I can find Hannah the elder in the 1841 census I can't find her daughter.There is a Hannah age 29 who is a female servant at Roseworthy in 1841.

On the marriage certificate Isiah Jeffree was a Maltsman and his father was called William and Anna was a widow and her father a miner.

The Jeffree's moved to Marazion where Hannah died in 1873 and her husband was present at the death.

Hannah her daughter married James Beare.

I recently found that a daughter of an ancestor of my husband was in a workhouse up country in 1891 when she was 3 ,she was born in 1888. Her mother was back in Gwithian during the 1891 census and by 1901 the daughter was living with her and mother and stepfather.

Perhaps Hannah the younger was in a workhouse or may be she was with someone else on the census night,

[Cornish Terrier]

Step-daughter (as opposed to 'daughter-in-law') is quite correct and it is one of those anomalies that have been discussed in other parts of this Forum.

I could not find the 1841 entries for Hannah/Anna so would appreciate you giving me full details (spelling included) so that I can have another look at it.

I tried many variations of names (and spelling) and could not find it so I think the Workhouse idea might not be involved.

Hmmmmm - please send me anything more that might help and I will take another look at it.
I am concerned that I could not find Charles Carter but, perhaps, Gwinear might hold the answer.

[genie]

I have found Hannah on Freecen in 1841 and her daughter's surname is spelt 'Cartor'in 1851.

Still can't find the daughter in 1841.

[Cornish Terrier]

STUPID ME (beating myself repeatedly over the back of the head with anything within reach ...... and trying to not damage my head or anything else within reach!)

I should know better.

I did a search on CARTER and neglected to think of one of the most common problems with the letter 'e' in old records ---- it very often looks like 'o'.

Everyone may feel free to berate me severely.