Another Rule Family

[genie]

This is another Rule family of my friend.

James Rule born abt 1796 married Mary Mills 1816 at Camborne.

One of their children:James who was born in Gwithian about 1820 and he married Caroline ? who was born in Camborne about 1824.

I have the names of the children of both James' but wondered if any one could find the parents of James the elder.

[Cornish Terrier]

More interesting stuff on the Rule family!
The 1816 Marriage indicates that James Rule was a Camborne man.
His bride, Mary MILLS was 'of Gwinear' at the time of marriage but that does not necessarily mean she was born there. (She may have been residing there for long enough to be named as 'of that parish' at the time.)

The interesting thing to work with may be the names of the Witnesses - Honour RULE and, to a much lesser extent, James SKEWIS.

James Skewis may have been the Parish Clerk or, as I have seen elsewhere, a 'professional' marriage witness.

Honour RULE is the possible link to help solve the problem as she could have been mother or sister (or sister-in-law) to James.

Possible children bp. Camborne would be:-

Joseph bp. 02 August 1817 s/o James and Mary, miner, of near Killivose
James bp. 26 December 1819 s/o James and Mary, miner, of Menedarva
Richard bp. 25 April 1823 s/o James and Mary, miner, of Killivoase
Mary bp. 29 September 1827 d/o James and Mary, miner, of Gwithian
James bp. 25 Oct 1828 s/o James and Mary, miner, of Troon
William bp. 13 February 1830 s/o James and Mary, miner, of Gwithian
Richard bp. 10 July 1830 s/o James and Mary, miner, of Troon
Henry bp. 20 August 1831 s/o James and Mary, miner, of Gwithian Church Town
Mary bp. 10 March 1832 d/o James and Mary, miner, of Troon
Mary Jane Dunkin bp. 28 Oct 1832 d/o James and Mary, miner, of Town
George bp. 27 May 1833 s/o James and Mary, miner, of Town
James bp. 21 Apr 1834 s/o James and Mary Laity, miner, of Troon
Francis bp. 20 February 1836 s/o James and Mary, miner, of Troon

It is obvious there are two families of James and Mary Rule involved here but I think you can probably safely discard (for the purposes of this excercise) the family at Troon.

I have not yet checked the Camborne Burials but will try to do that later.
Also don't seem to have much available on Gwinear at the moment so might be a bit hamstrung there.
But I will take a look at the Census entries and see what else I might find for you.


And here is an interesting entry:-

John RULE Skues s/o James and Joanna SKUES, farmer, of Killivoase bp. 01 December 1827.

There is a suggestion here that the other witness to James and Mary's marriage might actually have been related through marriage!

[Cornish Terrier]

And here it might get a little more confusing:-

1841 Census at Gwithian

James Rule, Copper miner, age 41
Mary, wife, age 41
James, son, age 15
Mary, daughter, age 14
Ann, daughter, age 12
Johnson, son, age 5
Jenifer, daughter, age 3

1841 Census at Camborne (College St)

James Rule, Copper miner, age 45
Mary, wife, age 40
Joseph, son, age 20
Richard, son, age 15
Mary, daughter, age 14
William, son, age 12
Henry, son, age 10
George, son, age 8
Amelia, daughter, age 5
Emily, daughter, age 3

1851 Census - Connor Downs, Gwithian

James Rule, copper miner, age 51, bn. Camborne
Mary, wife, age 53, bn. Gwinear
Ann, daughter, age 22, bn. Gwithian
Johnson, son, age 15, copper miner, bn. Gwithian
Jenefor, daughter, age 13, bn. Gwithian

1851 Census - Penponds, Camborne

James Rule, copper miner, age 31 (?), bn. Gwithian
Caroline, wife, age 27, bn. Camborne
William, son, age 9, bn. Camborne
James, son, age 5, bn. Camborne
Mary Ann, daughter, age 1 mth, bn. Camborne
Mary, mother, age 51, bn. Camborne
Emily, lodger, age 11, bn. Camborne

Very interesting but I will have to let you make what you can of it for the moment as I need to have my dinner and then get to bed so I can get to work this afternoon.

Hope this helps - and note that Emily is a lodger - I think she is James' sister.

[genie]

Once again thank you for the information.

The 1841 lot at Gwinear is my husband's and looking at my friend's notes his lot are at College street in 1841 and it is interesting to see his moved to Penponds in 1851.

I wonder if there will be a connection between their families eventually as they seem to go between Gwithian and Camborne.

[Cornish Terrier]

Fair chance there will be connections - working out the correct ones is going to be the difficult bit as I have, over the years, found out with my Trewhella, Quick, Curnow and other families.

Imagination seemed to be a 'word of the future' back in those days so it was the normal thing to name everyone James or John or William or Mary or Elizabeth etc.

And the amount of people of the same name who were born or baptised at about the same time and in the same area is enough to send anyone crazy.

But if we are diligent enough and continually question information we will eventually arrive at the right conclusion.

After all - don't we do this stuff because we love it!

Let me know how you go with this and I will try to do more as I can.

Just had a look at another Camborne connection of my own that is starting to look like being a problem.

[Cornish Terrier]

While you have nothing better to do. ;D
I have another Rule connection in Australia that I would like to track down and it is possible it might head in your direction (so to speak).
I will try to check it out when I can, of course, but while you are on the trail I will run it by you.

Henry Rule married Mary COCKING sometime before 1839.
Son Henry married Catherine DAVIES in Victoria, Australia in 1862 and their daughter, Cecilia, married John TREWELLA at Bethanga, Victoria, in 1886.

John TREWELLA was son of John TREWELLA and Caroline BARTLE and was born in Victoria in 1861.

My other problem is with Caroline BARTLE but I will deal with that one later.
All Camborne people from the looks of things so it should be interesting to sort the wheat from the chaff given a couple of things I have looked at tonight.

[genie]

I have an Elizabeth Jane Banfield who married Charles Davis Bartle in my family and in 1891 they were living at Moor Street,Camborne

[Cornish Terrier]

Something more for us to work on.
Let me know if you are stuck here and I will try and check a few things for you, given availability of information I have ready access to.

Just flesh out enough of the information for me to work from and we will see what happens.

[genie]

Elizabeth Banfield's information is in the Halsetown post.

[Cornish Terrier]

Thanks Genie - I will try to have a brief look at it now bit that will be it for tonight.
Was looking forward to a quiet Sunday night shift at the Pub but .........

I walked in to work at 4pm and it became like a Saturday night full on with just myself working.

Will reply as soon as I can.

[k]

Jun 15, 2007 13:14:41 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

While you have nothing better to do. ;D
I have another Rule connection in Australia that I would like to track down and it is possible it might head in your direction (so to speak).
I will try to check it out when I can, of course, but while you are on the trail I will run it by you.

Henry Rule married Mary COCKING sometime before 1839.
Son Henry married Catherine DAVIES in Victoria, Australia in 1862 and their daughter,

eresting

Henry Rule married Mary Cocking 2-8-1824, Redruth, IGI M053411.

I hope you can read that. I'm not clear how this board works.

I think I may have been in contact with you (Cornish Terrier) in the past.

Best,

[Cornish Terrier]

Hello 'K' and welcome to Penwith Genealogy.

Don't worry, you will find your way around easilty enough.

If you have been in touch with me in the past I am sure it will not take long for us to become re-aquainted.

Thankyou for the information which has been updated.

Have not done anything with the Rule family for quite some time being busy with other lines and other queries so will have to revisit them.

Get yourself familiar and then start letting us know where you would like some help and the team will do our best to help find some answers for you.

CT

[fijity]

Good old Google brought me here in my search for James Rule.

My search has taken me back to a William Dunkin Rule from Camborne born 1835.
Married Mary Anne Harris at Philleigh 30 July 1859.

The Marriage transcription shows his father as James, mine agent. And 1871 Census shows Mary as Mother (widowed)

I believe the following shows the correct family.

1841 - Cornwall Online Census Project
Transcript of Piece HO107/141 (Part 2)
Book 2 Folio 52 Page 25
Camborne Census
Park Bracket, 1, James Rule, 30, Miner Copper, In county
Mary Rule, 30, In county
William Rule, 7, In county

1861 - Transcript of Piece RG9/1583 (Part 3)
Camborne Census
Fore St East Side, 1, James Rule, Head, M, 52, Letter Carrier, Camborne Cornwall
Mary Rule, Wife, M, 49, House Keeper, Camborne Cornwall
John Couch, Lodger, U, 23, Cabinet Maker, Falmouth Cornwall
Alexander Harris, Lodger, U, 18, Carpenter & Joiner, Philliegh Cornwall (Brother of Daughter in law)

1871 Census Camborne, St Martins:
West Charles St, William D Rule, Head, M, 36, Carpenter, Camborne Cornwall
Mary Rule, Wife, M, 30, Stithians Cornwall
Charles Rule, Son, 10, Scholar, Camborne Cornwall
Richd H Rule, Son, 9, Scholar, Camborne Cornwall
Frederick Rule, Son, 1, Camborne Cornwall
Mary Rule, Mother, W, 60, Camborne Cornwall

I can find no 1851 census for James and Mary, no death/burial of James between 1861/71 and no marriage.
Cornish terrier's earlier post has thrown another spanner in the works with.

Mary Jane Dunkin bp. 28 Oct 1832 d/o James and Mary, miner, of Town
George bp. 27 May 1833 s/o James and Mary, miner, of Town

It looks like these two are quite likely brother and sister to William but are not on the 1841 census so could have died before this.

I would appreciate any help especially to find Mary's maiden name.

Mike.

[Cornish Terrier]

Welcome to Penwith Genealogy Mike.

Seems to me that Mary's maiden name 'should be' Dunkin but there is no such marriage to be found.
Next obvious choice would be that Dunkin was the maiden name of James Rule's mother.

You may already have this information but:-

James RULE married Jane DUNKIN 28th February 1807 at Camborne
Willm. Dunkin was one of the witnesses and is probably Jane's father or, possibly, her brother.

If we accept that Mary Dunkin Rule is a sibling to William and, therefore, another child of James and Mary then the marriage should be sometime before mid-1832.

The only two marriages that seem to fit the criteria are:-

James Rule m. Mary Laity Edmonds 4th December 1827 Camborne
James Rule m. Mary Jenkins 4th March 1832 Camborne

I would be inclined to suggest Mary Jenkins is the more likely but finding the evidence to prove it one way or the other seems to be a problem.

Mary Jane Dunkin bp. 28 Oct 1832 d/o James and Mary, miner, of Town
George bp. 27 May 1833 s/o James and Mary, miner, of Town

It looks like these two are quite likely brother and sister to William but are not on the 1841 census so could have died before this.

Mary Jane I think is almost certainly a sibling but I am not quite so sure about George.

I can find no 1851 census for James and Mary, no death/burial of James between 1861/71 and no marriage.

How about:-

1851 Census Llangynog, Montgomoryshire, Wales
James RULE, head, marr, 43, mine agent, born Camborne
Mary do., wife, marr, 40, wife, born Camborne

I would think this is probably them but the only other person in the household is a house servant.

Question is - where are the 'billy lids'!

Might be worth searching for them under the possible grandparents name.
Only last night I had the same problem with another family where the widow had remarried but her children from the first marriage were recorded under the new married name!

It is something to think about anyway.

CT

[fijity]

Thank you for the welcome and the speedy response.

Jun 11, 2011 11:05:09 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

James RULE married Jane DUNKIN 28th February 1807 at Camborne

I had only just found this and it looks the most likely parents for James.

Jun 11, 2011 11:05:09 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

James Rule m. Mary Laity Edmonds 4th December 1827 Camborne
James Rule m. Mary Jenkins 4th March 1832 Camborne

This at least gives me something to go on but evidence is going to be tricky.

Jun 11, 2011 11:05:09 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

How about:-

1851 Census Llangynog, Montgomoryshire, Wales
James RULE, head, marr, 43, mine agent, born Camborne
Mary do., wife, marr, 40, wife, born Camborne
I would think this is probably them but the only other person in the household is a house servant.

What a great find. I have only one of my lines of research so far going outside Cornwall, I keep forgetting to look at the rest of the world
Don't think I would have found this one though.

In 1851 William Dunkin would have been 15 and would probably have started his training in Carpentry. Mary Jane Dunkin I fear might not have still been around.

Had a look around for Grandparents and W D Rule but not found them yet in 1851.

Thank you so much for the time an effort, very much appreciated.

Mike.