kernow62
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Post by kernow62 on Jan 1, 2008 19:53:19 GMT -5
Mark. Thanks firstly for the offer.
Here's mine. BERRYMAN in Zennor or Towednack areas MARTIN in Towednack or Stithians areas UREN in Lelant or St. Ives areas HOSKING in Lelant area
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Post by trencrom on Jan 1, 2008 20:28:38 GMT -5
Kernow 62: what is your Martin connection in 1500s Towednack?
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kernow62
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Post by kernow62 on Jan 2, 2008 10:02:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure there was one in the 1500s in Towednack. My line is from a John MARTINS bap 26 FEB 1678 at Towednack. His father Lambert MARTINS was from Stithians. I am curious to know if there were MARTINS in Towednack prior to this.
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Post by trencrom on Jan 2, 2008 17:23:05 GMT -5
My interest in Martins is only in the first half of the seventeenth century, so I have not looked later than that, but yes there they were in Towednack at that time, and also in neighbouring Gulval. i have some of their wills that prove this.
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Post by marktrengove on Jan 4, 2008 16:18:02 GMT -5
Here we go, then:
Zennor
No Berrymans, or similar sounding names.
Towednack
John Baragwanathe, billsman, with a bill & 6 arrows John Baragwanathe, billsman, with a bill John Martyn, archer & arquebousier, with a bow & 12 arrows
St Ives
Rawe Uren, able archer, with a bow, shield & arrows
Lelant
John Harry Hoskyn, with a bill Simon Hoskyn, able billsman, with a bill
Stithians
No Martins, or similar sounding names - but 8 names are missing in the list.
Hope that helps!
Mark T
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Post by trencrom on Jan 4, 2008 17:59:33 GMT -5
Mark, can I get you to check on Paynters, especially William Paynters throughout Cornwall please?
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Post by kernow62 on Jan 4, 2008 18:39:12 GMT -5
Thanks Mark. Very interesting.
When you get a chance could you check St. Buryan for BERRYMAN or BERRIMAN.
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Post by marktrengove on Jan 6, 2008 18:14:36 GMT -5
No Berrymans or Berrimans, or similar sounding names, in St Buryan.
That does not necessarily mean that there was not one of that family there under a differnt name. Surnames were still in a state of flux in Cornwall in the 1560s.
For example, I have established that my family of Trengove in Illogan were called Richard before about 1562!
Mark T
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Post by kernow62 on Jan 7, 2008 1:28:32 GMT -5
No Berrymans or Berrimans, or similar sounding names, in St Buryan. That does not necessarily mean that there was not one of that family there under a differnt name. Surnames were still in a state of flux in Cornwall in the 1560s. For example, I have established that my family of Trengove in Illogan were called Richard before about 1562! Mark T I suspect they were English, not Cornish (dare I say it). All of their holdings in Zennor had English field names whilst their neighbours for the most part had Cornish names for their fields. Not very scientific, but it is a possible scenario.
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Post by marktrengove on Jan 7, 2008 18:12:37 GMT -5
Right, here goes:
PAYNTERS IN THE 1569 MUSTER ROLL
'almain rivet' - a type of light armour made of plates sliding on rivets 'scull' - a close-fitting helmet with a brim 'splints' - plates or strips of metal to protect the forearms
ST WYNNOW
Nicholas Panther, able archer William Paynter, able archer, with a bow & 12 arrows
ST PYNOCKE
William Paynter, able billsman, with a bow, 24 arrows, almain rivet, bill
LANREATH
Robert Paynter, able archer, with bow, shield and arrow John Paynter, able archer, with bow, shield and arrow
LAUNCESTON
John Paynter, able archer, with almain rivet, furnished with bow, shield, arrow, bill and scull
PERRANARWORTHAL
William Paynter, able archer, with bow and 12 arrows
MAWNAN
William Paynter, able horseman, with longbow, shirt of mail, sheaf of arrows, steel cap or scull and black bill or halberd John Russell, servant of Paynter, with a bill John Glanfylde, servant of Paynter, with a bill George Bayly, servant of Paynter, with a bill
ST ERTH
William Paynter, able horseman, with a pair of almain rivets, 2 long bows, 2 sheaves of arrows, 2 sculls and a black bill. George Paynter, able archer, with a long bow, shield and arrow
WHITSTONE
John Paynter, with a bow, shield, arrows, bill and scull
LAUNCELS
Alexander Pentire, with a pair of almain rivets, bill, long bow, shield, arrow, cap and scull Richard Paynter, able billsman, with a bow and 6 arrows John Paynter, with a breast plate, back plate and splints William Paynter, with a bow, 12 arrows and a bill
Looks like some aristos among this lot!
Enjoy!
Mark T
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Post by trencrom on Jan 9, 2008 22:09:22 GMT -5
Thanks very much for all this Mark -- much appreciated. Trencrom
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Post by marktrengove on Jan 10, 2008 18:23:53 GMT -5
I'll be looking for Paynters in the Subsidies for you next weekend!
Mark T
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 14, 2008 13:31:34 GMT -5
kernow62 Now you have touched down. ;D Lambert Martin(s) s/o David and Frances was married (when/where unknown) to Phillis TREWHELLA. Apart from the first known child who was baptised at Stithians all other children were recorded at Towednack. Phillis would have been a cousin to my ancestor Martin Trewhella who married Alse Phillips at Zennor in 1688. Phillis and Martin were (from memory) both mentioned in the Will of James Trewheela of Scilly in 1699. Things are getting interesting - I think.
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kernow62
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Post by kernow62 on Jan 14, 2008 21:09:17 GMT -5
kernow62 Now you have touched down. ;D Lambert Martin(s) s/o David and Frances was married (when/where unknown) to Phillis TREWHELLA. Apart from the first known child who was baptised at Stithians all other children were recorded at Towednack. Phillis would have been a cousin to my ancestor Martin Trewhella who married Alse Phillips at Zennor in 1688. Phillis and Martin were (from memory) both mentioned in the Will of James Trewheela of Scilly in 1699. Things are getting interesting - I think. Yes, you are correct. Phillis is recorded variously as Phillis, Phyllis and Phillip. It seems we really are all cousins to one degree or another.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 19, 2008 12:18:32 GMT -5
Will try to work further on this once my IT connection is stabilised. I obviously have interests in the Martin (var.) families so will do what I can.
Ian
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