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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 21, 2007 8:42:53 GMT -5
Would appreciate the further information on John Hampton and will continue to see what I can do about Robert. As for Gwithian Subsidies - not this little black duck I am afraid.  You could try the Cornwall OPC site or GENUKI which could both be a chance. But I reckon Cornishmaid might also have a chance through the CSL at Redruth. Another avenue would be to log into a search engine and do a search on GWITHIAN and you might find something. |
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Post by Zenobia on May 21, 2007 13:56:06 GMT -5
Ah...everything I have on John is at my GedCom, and also if you go to the Hampton Board there is a photo of his grave. The Gwithian question was for CM... Hope she can find all these requests in the midst of this now very unweildy thread...  |
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Post by cornishmaid on May 23, 2007 14:28:14 GMT -5
Hi again all. Am hoping to get to the Cornwall Centre this Friday (all being well). Just to recap (in case this unwieldy thread has got the better of me  ) ... I'll be looking for the following: 1. Sale to Henry Edwards of Lelant (20 October 1563): B/St Ives/1,2 2. Any subsidies lists for Gwithan - late 1500s, early 1600s Will see what I can do  |
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Post by cornishmaid on May 23, 2007 15:51:56 GMT -5
Me again  Right, have found the following relating to the sale to Henry Edwards.... Ref No: BIVES/130/1 Title: Bargain and sale, messuage and garden, Sterte Penamyn, St Ives Date: 20 October 1563 Format: Manuscript Description: Parties: 1. Raffe Mathew, fishermanb, of Seynt Iys; 2. Henry Edwards, yeoman, of Lelant. Bargain and sale by 1) to 2) of a messuage and garden in St Ives in Strete Penameyn between tenement which John Jeffery held on East, the well called Fenten Alse on west, King's highway on North, and seaside on South. Consideration: "a certain sum of money". Endorsements (in later hands): "A deed of land in St Ives fee simple", "of no use". See BIVES/130/2 for modern transcript. All it says under BIVES/130/2 is: BIVES St Ives Borough RefNo BIVES/130/2 Title Transcript, bargain and sale, messuage and garden, Sterte Penamyn, St Ives Format Manuscript Description Transcript of BIVES/130/1. So I guess someone would have to go to the CRO to view this. However, I'm sure someone clever on this site would be able to transcribe the above. Hope this helps  |
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Post by Zenobia on May 23, 2007 16:34:38 GMT -5
Ah! No I did not have this previously... And I thought maybe it was going to be the Deed for the Abbey, but that would have to be further back, during the dissolusion of the monesteries... I never knew the Edwards had any St. Ives connections - the name Edwards, of course is so common that one has to be careful not to assume that those from surrounding parishes were related. The first Henry Edwards is very shadowy, so it is always good to get a bit more info about him. |
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Post by marktrengove on May 23, 2007 17:34:11 GMT -5
If you are going in the CRO, Truro, any time, I would be particularly interested in any leases regarding the Trengoves in Perranarworthal and Stithians in the late 17th and early 18th Centuries.
I have these from Vol.5 of Henderson already:
1638 Nathaniel Trengove
1645 Nathaniel Trengove
1665 John Trengove
1680 John Trengove
1713 Nathaniel Trengove
Any relating to a James, Reginald or Jacob Trengove would be particularly interesting to me.
Thanks!
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Post by cornishmaid on May 23, 2007 17:44:14 GMT -5
Will certainly see what I can do. Not a problem. |
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Post by marktrengove on May 24, 2007 14:56:46 GMT -5
Marvellous.
Let me know whenever I can help you too!
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Post by marktrengove on Oct 8, 2007 15:57:21 GMT -5
If you have the time at your next visit to the CRO etc, there is a Will/Admon in which I would be very interested:
Richard, John Illogan 1588.
It looks as though the first Trengove of my family left a will.
Thanks, in anticipation,
Mark T
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Post by amyjopet on Apr 17, 2008 15:37:40 GMT -5
Looking for my great great great grandparents wedding date, and who my ggg grandmother's parents were:
and death dates for them?
William Quick b. abt. 1831 St. Ives Cornwall England died before 1878 (son of William Quick and Fanny Richards).
Married ______________________
Emma Jane __________ b. abt. 1832/34 St. Ives Cornwall England died after 1881 census.
Notes: William in the 1851 Census was living at home with his parents on Back Street and was listed as a Cordwainer. Not sure when they were married. They had a daughter Fanny that was born on December 2, 1857 St. Ives, Cornwall England, assuming they were married before then and after 1851.
In the 1861 Census (William and Emma Jane were listed as living in Penzane).
I know that William also died before eldest daughter Fanny was married in 1878 (according to the marriage certicate that I have for Fanny and her husband Anthony Davis)
Any help with these dates is much appreciated. I've been looking thru all the online transcripts and haven't had much luck.
Best regards, Amy Vander Kelen
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Post by cornishmaid on Apr 18, 2008 7:41:11 GMT -5
Hi Amy Firstly, having no luck with the marriage of William Quick to Emma J.  That said, there is a possible marriage in the 3rd quarter of 1855, Penzance District. I have had a look for possible baptisms of Emma J's in St Ives, and the most llikely seems to be Emma Jane James Shugg, daughter of Samuel and Sarah, bapt. 28 August 1831. The date would fit, and the name Sarah is carried on in one of William and Emma's children. This is only a possibility at the moment though, and I will have to check the name and reference in St Catherines Index to see if she was married to William Quick. This may have to wait until next week, unless anyone else has access in the meantime. I can't find a reference in the 1861 census to say that William and Emma were living in Penzance? I have them as living in Back Street, St Ives, with place of birth as St Ives. Also, you say that Emma died after the 1881 census? In 1891 she is living at Tregenna Place: Emma Quick, Head, Widow, 59, St Ives Cornwall Edith Quick, Daughter, Single, 23, St Ives Cornwall There seem to be two possible deaths for William, the first in the 3rd quarter of 1873, and the second in the first quarter of 1878, age 48. I will see if I can find more on this. I have found the baptisms of Elizabeth Ann, Paul, William and Edith (William and Emma's children) and these were at the St Ives Methodist New Connexion Chapel. If you haven't got these let me know and I'll list them for you. Will carry on working on this one |
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Post by cornishmaid on Apr 18, 2008 8:16:02 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D Emma Shugg also married in 3rd quarter of 1855, Penzance District, with the same reference as William Quick, ie volume 5c, Page 466. Still not set in stone that this is the right marriage, but I'd say it's a pretty sure bet ;D |
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Post by cornishmaid on Apr 18, 2008 8:33:12 GMT -5
Emma Jane James Shugg's siblings, and their baptism dates, are as follows: Mary Ann 21 January 1821 Samuel 10 January 1823 John 13 March 1825 Elizabeth James 4 May 1827 Emma 5 June 1829 Robert 25 July 1834 Robert 11 December 1835 A possible sibling is Sally, daughter of Samuel & Sally, bapt. 25 September 1818. I will have to check the census returns to check this, when I have a bit more time. Samuel Shugg is listed as a "mason" for all of the above baptisms. This looks like his marriage: St Ives Parish Samuel Shugg & Sarah James Nicholas, married 15 December 1817 If you want any more on the Shuggs let me know, otherwise will get back to the Quicks NB: Have just googled on "Shugg" and there seems to be quite a bit of information online, including a one name study. It would be well worth contacting other Shugg researchers if you are interested in this side of the family. NB2: Have just checked the 1851 census and Emma's mother is listed as "Sally" Shugg. So the Sally Shugg above would be a sibling of Emma. |
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Post by cornishmaid on Apr 18, 2008 8:46:23 GMT -5
It looks as though Samuel Shugg remarried after his wife Sarah died:
24 Dec 1860 by Banns
Samuel Shugg 61 widower Mason of St. Ives (Father: Thomas Jervis Shugg, Mason)
Mary Richards 44 spinster of St. Ives (Father: William Richards, Miner)
Witnesses: Thomas Williams, Phillis Ray
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Post by cornishmaid on Apr 18, 2008 10:23:00 GMT -5
Have just had a thought about the death of William Quick. If he died in St Ives then he was probably buried at Barnoon Cemetary. I will have a look at the burial register next week if I go to St Ives Archive Centre, and see if either death (1873 and 1878) is listed and whether there are any other clues noted in the register Further note: I've found a burial of a William Quick at Perranuthnoe Parish on 07-Mar 1878, age 46, Residence: Henfor Goldsithney. This MAY be the 1878 death listed above, but as I say I will check the burial records before pursuing this. |
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) ... I'll be looking for the following:
That said, there is a possible marriage in the 3rd quarter of 1855, Penzance District. I have had a look for possible baptisms of Emma J's in St Ives, and the most llikely seems to be Emma Jane James Shugg, daughter of Samuel and Sarah, bapt. 28 August 1831. The date would fit, and the name Sarah is carried on in one of William and Emma's children. This is only a possibility at the moment though, and I will have to check the name and reference in St Catherines Index to see if she was married to William Quick. This may have to wait until next week, unless anyone else has access in the meantime.