RICHARDS and BERRYMAN FAMILIES

[hiberniansmog]

For a bit of back ground information on the Richards, one should refer back to the Davey and Richards family of Zennor Posting that I am ever gratefull for Cornish Terrier for helping me.

William Richards born in 1808 died in 1874 was married to Nanny Berryman also born in 1808 died in 1852 and had the following sons;
William born in 1837
Thomas born in 1839
John born in 1841 who married Margretta Davey
Robert born in 1843
David born in 1849
The family lived in Zennor and father William was a blacksmith
and the boys became tin miners

The Berryman clan can be found right next door to the Richards family .
Mother Nanny was the daughter of David Berryman who had married Jane Osborn in 1798. This was a large family that consisted of the following children;
Arthur born in 1799 married Ann Mann
David born in 1801
William born in 1803 married Jane Michell
Mary born in 1805 who married Thomas Thomas
Jane born in 1807 who married Josiah Dally
Nanny (Nancy) born in 1808 who married William Richards
Thomas born in 1811
Grace born in 1813
Wilmot born in 1815 married Robert Boase
John born in 1817 who married Hannah Richards
Elizabeth born in 1819 who married Unknown Carter
Robert born in 1821

As for the father of the Richards boys, William Richards born in 1808 and died in 1874 , I am at a loss for information
The only plausable case is that there is one birth for William Richards in 1808 who list his father as John and Mary as his mother.

The Berryman family lived within arms reach of the Richards family and I would assume that this would be the case with any Richards relatives, yet I have yet to find any in Zennor as of yet.

If the pattern of the childrens names is used as a clue, than the first son, also named William would be named for the father.
The second son; Thomas could be named for the mothers father or her maiden name very well could be Thomas. There is the Thomas family that is in Zennor.
The brothers John and Robert could be named after possible Richards uncles or named after their mothers brothers.
David Richards is probably named after the Berryman Grandfather.

I think I have the Berryman family figured out, it is now trying to figure out William Richards side that is giving me trouble.
Any and all help is greatly appreciated and welcomed.

[bazza]

James, my 4xgreat grandfather was John Richards, bp. 27 Oct 1805, Zennor (but born Madron??) who married Elizabeth Mitchell and immigrated to Australia (see my Mitchell-Richards post in this thread). His parents were John & Mary Thomas, as recorded on his death certificate of 1874
John & Elizabeth had 10 children, most with recognisable family connections: Elizabeth (mother/grandmother), Mary (grandmother), Jane (mother's sister), Nancy Thomas (? - poss father's sister (or sister-in-law - Wm's wife) and Thomas is grandmother's maiden name), Eliza (?? - my GGGgrandmother), Grace Mitchell ( - mother's maiden name), Louisa (??), Rosina (??), John (father, grandfather), Lavinia Piety (?? - ??). The last three names (ex. John) do not seem to have any family connections, so may help in future.

John & Mary are as far as I have gone with his ancestry, unfortunately it is difficult to find reliable info....

It is possible that this is the census records for John & Mary, as John's occ. is listed as shoemaker, which his son (John) continued with:

1841- Town, Camborne, Cornwall
RICHARDS/John/M/65/Cordwainer/Cornwall
RICHARDS/Mary/F/65/Cornwall
RICHARDS/Francis/M/15/Cornwall
GENSERS/Will/M/30/Cordwainer/Cornwall

1851 - Cross Street, Camborne, Cornwall
RICHARDS/John/Head/M/M/76/Boot & Shoemaker/Cornwall - Marazion
RICHARDS/Mary/Wife/M/F/75/Cornwall - Ludgvan

I have not yet found any connection with Francis Richards (1841) and was unable to find him on later censuses...

That's all from me tonight - off to bed now..........

Baz

[hiberniansmog]

Very interesting Baz. As for the children of William Richards and Nanny Berryman, the boys all immigrated to the Pennsylvania Anthracite Coal fields in Centralia. All except the oldest, who was William born in 1837
He left for the Victorian Gold Rush there in Australia
If we can find evidence directly connecting my 4XGGrandfather William (1808-1874) with your 4XGGrandfather John (1805-1874) than this would lend a thought that the son William born in 1808 by leaving for Australia was going to be around family there in Victoria.
I will read the Mitchell-Richards thread tonight as well as begin to look at the 1841 census that you have posted for John and Mary.

[hiberniansmog]

Just quickly looking at the 1841 census for Zennor in Church Village I found this:

John Thomas 50 shoe maker
Margret 45
Edward 15
John 13
Nancy 10
Rachel 6
Mary Richards 60 independant

This is the same area in 1841 that I find your John Richards and family and the both he and John Thomas are shoe makers.
It could be that Mary Richards if she being the mother to "my William and your John" would be around 60 at this time. If we are correct in her maiden name being "Thomas" then the family identified above may be her younger brothers family that she is living with. This is all "if", nothing solid yet

[bazza]

James, that census return seems more viable than the ones I posted. It would seem that my John received the shoemaking trade from the Thomas side of the family, so perhaps John Snr/ was a blacksmith...
This is assuming that you've located the correct family above.

I had a look for Thomas Eddy Richards, possible brother of our possible brothers John & William. It is likely that he is a tin miner, wife Sally, in several censuses...

....................

Baz

P.S. Do you know much of William Jnr's life in Australia. I can look at some records to see what I can find.....

[hiberniansmog]

As far as William Richards who left for Australia, I believe he married a women by the name of Martha King and had about 9 or 10 children, not sure. He should have immigrated between 1850 and 1860.

[Cornish Terrier]

OK my friends - please do not be obsessed with the possibility that one person went to Australia while relatives went to the US or South Africa (e.g.)

It is possible that things were not the case and that different members of the family went to different places for other reasons.

I know that members of one branch of my family went to New York (in fact many of that family from memory) yet one sister of that same family came to Australia and died in Hawthorn (a Melbourne suburb) at the age of 99.

If the person you are searching for came to Victoria then I may well be able to help given I have access to the BDM Index from the 1850's through until well after he and many of his descendants would have died.

Get back to me on this ASAP and I will see what I can do whilst I still have Internet access.

This whole Internet thing should, I hope, be solved soon but I have no absolute guarantee just now.

The remainder of the problems outliined must await my later attention.

Will do the best I can.

Ian

[bazza]

Hey James, I think he (William Jnr) immigrated per 'Queen of the Seas', which arrived in July 1858.

He married Martha King in 1863 and had eleven children:
William - 1864
Martha - 1866
John Thomas - 1868
Francis Robert - 1870-1871
Jane - 1872
Robert - 1875
Mary - 1877
David Arthur - 1879
Joseph Henry - 1882
Edith Mary - 1885
Elizabeth - 1887

William died in 1889 in Kangaroo Flat. His parents were listed as William Richards and Ann Berryman.

Baz

[hiberniansmog]

That's him Bazz!!! Outstanding. Recognize the names.
We know his parents are William Richards and Nancy (Nanny) Berryman. We know that Nanny's parents are David Berryman and Jane Osborne and can trace this line back.
If we could find the parents of William Richards Sr. Right now we believe they were John Richards and Mary Thomas but have no supporting facts.

[Cornish Terrier]

William Richards married Nancy Berryman at Zennor 28th September 1836 at which time William was a blacksmith.

His father is listed as JOHN RICHARDS but I have not yet traced the mother. (And nor have I traced the origins, as yet, of John Richards.)

Will try and look more into this in the coming days.

Ian