Perry of Zennor

[Cornish Terrier]

In the Michell Thread our Administrator, Zenobia, has shown disappointment at the fact that a number of early PR/BT entries have not provided enough information for analysis to give an indication as to the connection of Jennet MICHELL (m. ? PERRIE in 1611) to Honor PERRY who later married John GLASSON.

Well, being the kind-hearted and diligent person that I am I re-read that and some other notes and began thinking. (And now I have a headache .)

HOWEVER - I do believe that I just MIGHT have an ANSWER. ;D

I made mention yesterday in another thread about the way some of the early Zennor documents might be useful and the ways in which they could be made useful.

My intention here is to try to provide a 'flow-chart' of how I have (I believe) found the answer to Zenobia's dilemma.

(I do hope everyone is paying attention )

In the previously mentioned thread I named three documents in particular which, combined with the remaining available PRs/BTs and Wills might help piece together families.

1. A Church Rate of Zennor c. 1613
2. 1641 Protestation Return for Zennor
3. 1662-64 Hearth Tax for Zennor

Whilst answering the latest query I began thinking and it occurred to me that I concentrated on only a couple of names that were particularly relevant to the Michell/Phillips query I dealt with yesterday so tonight I have proceeded as follows:-

1613 Church Rate

Danyell PERRY

1641 Protestation Return

NONE

1641 Protestation Return - Morvah

NONE

1641 Protestation Return - Towednack

Lawrence PERRY

(At this point things are looking a little forlorn - to a point - as I would have expected to find at least one or two Perrys in the area but certainly not a 'Lawrence'.)

1662-64 Hearth Tax

John PERRY taxed on 1 hearth in both years

(There are no PERRY names in the Towednack or Morvah lists)

I have nothing of use, in this case, regarding baptisms or burials for Zennor in the time-period required so will now take a look at the Phillimore & Taylor Marriage Transcript.

26 Nov 1611 ...... PERRIE m. Jennet MICHELL
25 Sep 1625 Ralph MICHELL m. Margaret (might be useful later)
19 Jan 1645 JOHN PERRIE m. ANNE UDY
[.........] 1649 ...... PERRY m. Elizabeth CHRISTOPHER

There is a gap in the Register here

3 ____ 1673 Richard PERRY m. Grace KNIGHT
25 Feb 1692 John EDY m. Abigall PERRY
1 Apr 1727 Daniel PERRY m. Ednah RENAWDEN
13 Feb 1727 John THOMAS m. Mary PERRY
20 Feb 1727 James BERYMAN m. Alice PERRY

That takes us through to the end of February 1754 but certainly gives some further food for thought.

And now I will turn to a couple of Wills:-

JOHN PERRY, yeoman, of Zennor

written: no date (nuncupative)
proved: 12 Apr 1675

son: ALEXANDER 1 L 15 sh. 1 d. (which was given to him by his
grandmother) + 1 sh.
daughters: HONOR, ELIZABETH & ELIZABETH 1 sh. each
sons: DANIEL & GOERGE ? sh. each
wife: JONE tent. in Boswidnack (to GEORGE after her death); all
the rest

witnesses: wife JONE PERRY, JOHN THOMAS

Inventory taken 24 February 1674 by NICHOLAS BERYMAN and JOHN THOMAS.

GEORGE PERRY, yeoman, of Zennor

written: 2 Mar 1722
proved: 3 Oct 1723

brother: DANIEL PERRY 1 sh.
sister: HONNOR GLASSON 1 sh.
sister: ALICE STONE 1 sh.
eldest daughter: MARY PERRY a pied heifer of 10 years old
youngest daughter: ALICE PERRY 2 ewes & 5 lambs
wife: LOUDEY all the rest & executrix

George ( ) Perry

witnesses: RICHARD LEMBREY, RICHARD LEMBEY

Vol. 6, p. 143

There are obviously some problems here that need to be researched and worked out.

1. Two daughters named ELIZABETH and son ALEXANDER in John Perry's Will of 1675.

2. John names his wife as JONE yet there is a marriage record to 'Anne Udy'

3. Possibly part of the time-line.

Apart from that I think that there is enough here to suggest that HONOR GLASSON (nee PERRY) was the daughter of JOHN PERRY who was, in turn, very likely the grandson of THOMAS MICHELL of the 1621 Will.

And now it is 'over to you'.

[Zenobia]

Ha ha - I was going to post pretty much the same thing today!

I do believe you are correct that Daniel Perry was Jennet Michell's husband - given that they married in Zennor and Daniel was listen in Zennor only a year and a half later, this is logical.

The fact that John Perry named a son Daniel (as well as a son George) now seems to link these generations .

(I had mused over the probability of Jennet's son being our John for a long time, but without her husband's name, there was nothing to tie it together with the same degree of circumstantial evidence that we now have).

A few things:

Since Jennet was married in late 1611, one would expect the first child in late 1612/early 1613. Comfortably, there ought to be about 4 children by the time her father wrote his will, but it is possible that one died, or that there was a female and Thomas was only naming male descendants in his will (he certainly did not bother to leave either daughter anything - only their sons).

Either way - I would guess that John, named third, was born ca. 1619/20.

This would make him about 55/56 when he died.

Neither John nor his brothers appear on the PretRet (they should), which is a bit problematic, but perhaps they were missed (or were dissenters) or were not in Zennor at that time.

I suspect that Thomas Perry may not have lived to adulthood.

George Perry, son of Jennet, is most likely the man who left a will at Marazion in 1681, naming sons John and Richard, and various grandchildren.

His son Richard was probably the man who married Grace Knight at Zennor in 1673.

The Daniel Perry/Ednah Renoden marriage may have been John's son Daniel, but if so, then he was marrying as an old man (he died in 1729).

The last two marriages (Mary and Alice) would be the two daughters of George, son of John.

The Perry/Christopher marriage was probably that of George.

If John married Ann Udey, then he must have had a later marriage, and if so, then I suspect that he had children by BOTH (Honor was probably b. no earlier than ca. 1658, making her 81 at death and 27 when her first known child was born, and George was likely born no earlier than 1665).

So we may have had Alexander born to the first wife, and the rest to Joan.

Alexander probably did not live to marry, unless he is respnsible for the Abigale Perry who married John Edy (could she have died shortly after? If so, she could be a daughter of George Sr.) Or she could be a young widow of Alexander.

The listing of two daughters named Elizabeth in John's will is obviously a mistake (it was nuncupative, and therefore written down after his death). The second Elizabeth, of course should have been Alice.

We need to track down Alice Stone and Ednah Renoden Perry for starters... they might provide some further clues. Also any details on Richard and Grace.

[Cornish Terrier]

I thought you would be onto this fairly quickly.

There is still a lot of work to be done but I believe the link has been found.

If we could only get copies of all the entries from both known sets of Zennor BT's we might find out even more.

But, although not perfect, I think the 'time-line' and 'process' excercise has worked well and has certainly produced some very good results.

And we must thank Trencrom for instigating all of this.

Will try and check some more of the Michell/Phillips (and now Perry) thread and see what more I can do (gradually) over the next couple of days but do need to try and look after some other queries as well as my own.

[Cornish Terrier]

There has to be another Daniel Perry involved.

Things could get even more complicated here:-

Edmond Renoden m. Abigall EDDIE 1703 at Zennor.

I will leave the rest of your musings until later but do have to deal with Daniel right now.

Ednah RENODEN is currently (by me) assumed to have been the daughter of John RENODEN and Catherine (nee WILLIAMS) whose son John married Honour CURNOW at Zennor in 1738.

The reasoning for this positioning has been, I must admit, largely logistical. (i.e. no other Renoden family about that she really could have belonged to.)

And there is further to support this.

John RENODEN m. Catherine WILLIAMS at Zennor 22nd April 1701

I show five probable children for them with the last three being baptised 1713, 1716 and 1721 (lack of PR information with the rest).

Daniel PERRY and Ednah RENODEN married at Zennor 1st April 1727

"A" DANIEL PERRY then proceeded to have 11 children baptised at Zennor between 1727 and 1744 (Elizabeth, Daniel, John, Richard, Alse, Richard, EDNAH, Mary, Jane, William and John).

I would have to suggest that the Daniel PERRY who died in 1729 might just be the father of this fellow but it appears that I do not have details of that 1729 event.

Going to finish this one now and check the oven.
Quick bite to eat while I check a few other things then off to bed.

Look forward to further. ;D

[Zenobia]

I'm going to suggest then that Daniel (husband of Ednah) is going to be a son of Richard and Grace (perhaps a later child) and that he married late. It is plausible that Abigail was his eldest sister, adn hence another child of Richard.

Richard married in 1673. If Abigail was born in 1674 and married in 1692 (at age 18), that would work. If Daniel was a younger child of Richard, born say 1688, and married at 39, that works fine also. And he did name 2 sons Richard.

Alse, d/o Daniel and Ednah is interesting. Could this be the Alice Perry who married Stephen Glasson in Madron in 1759? This would make the latter pair 3rd cousins.

[Cornish Terrier]

All worth consideration but, apart from a few very salient points, I have been just throwing everything seemingly of possible relevence into the mix for now to see what surfaces.

(Hmmm - haven't been fishing for years! )

[Zenobia]

I dug out my Zennor/Perry papers...

Here is some more stuff:

Burials:

George Perry 15 Apr 1723
Lovedy Perry 9 Mar 1724/5
Daniel Perry 6 Sep 1729
Richard s/o Daniel & Edna Perry 21 Nov 1735
Jane d/o Daniel & Ednah 14 May 1742
William s/o Daniel 4 Dec 1743
Daniel Perry 2 Jan 1744
Edna Perry 5 Mar 1768

Some additional marriages:

Daniel Perry & Elizabeth Williams - Breage, 10 Aug 1697
William Perry & Ann Richards - St. Ives, 11 Aug 1705


Will of George Perry of Marazion:

GEORGE PERRY of Marazion

written: 7 Jul 1677
proved: 22 Nov 1681

son: JOHN PERRY 1 sh.
grandson: AFTER PERRY 1 sh.
granddaughter: LOUDY PERRY 1 sh.
granddaughter: CHRISTIAN PERRY 1 sh.
grandson: JOHN PERRY 1 sh.
grandson: WILLIAM PERRY 1 sh.
granddaughter: MARY PERRY 1 sh.
son: RICHARD PERRY house I now live in, house he now lives in; all the
rest & executor
wife (not named) to live with son RICHARD and he to pay her 20 sh. every
half year

George "X" Perry

witnesses: ROBART STEVEN, HENRY WOOLLCOCK

Inventory taken 22 November 1681 by ROBART STEVEN and JOHN JEFFARY

AP/P/1496


Suspect the William who marr. Ann Richards could be another son of Richard Perry, as the William, grandson of George (by John - above) had a wife named Elizabeth.

[Cornish Terrier]

Good work again - will add this to my list of things to do after work tonight.

But it seems some more pieces might be fitting into the puzzle.

[Zenobia]

John Perry m. Chesten Leggow, 12 July 1670, Ludgvan

Arthur Perry son of John chr. 8 Jan 1670/1 at Ludgvan.
Louday Perry dau of John chr. 29 Sep 1672 at Ludgvan
Christian Perry dau of John chr. 4 Oct 1674 at Ludgvan
Sampson Perry son of John chr. 10 Nov 1677 at Ludgvan, bur. 23 Mar 1677/8 - same
John Perry son of John chr. 21 Jan 1683 at Ludgvan

So the other three children, John, William and Mary, named in George's will, either belonged to Richard, or to a deceased son.

The problem is, a William Perry of Marazion left a will in 1728 naming a wife Elizabeth, mother MARY, sister CHRISTIAN Williams and sister Elizabeth Davy.

[Zenobia]

It gets even weirder....

ELLINOR WILLIAMS of Ludgvan, spinster

written: 4 Dec 1678
proved: 24 Mar 1678/9

cousin: ARTHUR PERRY s/o JOHN PERRY of Ludgvan 9 pounds
cousin: LOUDAY PERRY d/o JOHN PERRY 3 pounds
cousin: CHRISTIAN PERRY d/o JOHN PERRY 3 pounds when age 14
brother-in-law: JOHN PERRY all the rest & executor

Ellinor ( ) Williams

witnesses: RICH: LEGOY?, ALICE ( ) BOTTRELL

Inventory taken 20 March 1678/9 by WILLIAM BENNATT and STEVEN THOMAS

AP/W/1172

[Cornish Terrier]

So was Chesten Leggoe previously married (and therefore WILLIAMS by birth) or was Ellinor WILLIAMS maybe an aunt of John Perry or Chesten/Christian.

Seems, from her Will, that she was an older lady so either of the above could fit. (Widowed Grandmother might be another possibility)

Keyboard is starting to meander again so I will leave you with those thoughts for now.

Hopefully back on this after work tonight.

[Zenobia]

I found a bit more on these St. Hilary/Ludgven Perrys, which leaves me to wonder whether George is the Zennor one after all.

St. Hilary P.R.:

25 Mar 1695 John Perry m. Patience Maddern
20 Dec 1695 Wm. Perry m. Elizabeth Garland
2 Mar 1699 Richard Christopher m. Christian Perry
7 Oct 1700 Benjamin Strongman of Truro m. Mary Perry
26 Oct 1702 Arthur Perry m. Agnes Jennings
16 Dec 1707 Willia Williams m. Christiana Perry

Also:

10 Oct 1693 Elioner, d/o Richard and Mary Perry buried.

So George's son John m. Chesten Leggow and had Arthur, Loudey and Christian, the latter marrying Richard Christopher.

George's son Richard m. Mary and had John, William and Mary, plus the second Christian, and an Elizabeth (who m. a Davy, according to her brother William's will).

Problem is, where now does Richard Perry m. Grace Knight 1673 at Zennor come in? Unless Grace died a few months after the marriage, and he quickly married Mary, it doesn't fit very well...

So, are we dealing with a completely different Perry family?

There were Perrys at Wendron, but no indication that George belonged to that bunch.

[Cornish Terrier]

I, too, was having some misgivings and also very tired so thanks for the added info.

Will try to look more into this after work tonight.

[trencrom]

Zenobia and Coirnish terrier:

Not sure if you alreayd have the following:

Nicholas son of Daniel Perry christened 15 May 1619.

James son of John Perry christened 1 Jan 1667/8

John Perry buried 12 April 1674

[Cornish Terrier]

I certainly did not have any of this.

But has the first entry given you any thoughts about that 1611 Marriage.

It now looks certainly possibly that the Daniel Perry of 1613 was the man who married Jennett MICHELL.

The baptism of James in 1667/8 may be a small concern given that the name did not appear in the Nuncupative Will of John PERRY in 1674/5 but James may have pre-deceased his father.

The third entry, that of the burial of John PERRY 12th April 1674 is also interesting and is worth some comment.

According to my information from the Will:-

Inventory dated 24th February 1674 (believe that is old style).
Will proved 12th April 1675

12th April - is this date purely coincidental or is there an error somewhere.