Does anyone know if the Donithornes in Zennor are related to those in Gulval parish in the 1600s-1700s? I am looking at a Job Donithorne of Zennor who died in 1728 and who left under-age children. Job's wife presumably was the Margery Donithorne who was buried at Zennor on 8/11/1714. I do not know her maiden name. Job had the following children:
Alice, christened 2/9/1711, married at Zennor on 12/9/1735 to John Richards, A son, "Peerce" (? name unclear in BT), chr. 23/7/1693, and buried 28/5/1716; A daughter Joamima, chr. 19/7/1697; Job (named in Job senior's will) and Margery (also named in Job senior's will).
Again, I am guessing that onomastics may be the best way to try to ascertain the parentage of Job and/or the family of his wife. This leads me to my second question:
Which families in the area had either the given names "Pearce" and "Joamima" appearing amongst the names of their children in the late 1600s?
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 6, 2007 12:14:41 GMT -5
Please see PM.
Given that Zennor and Gulval share borders it is almost without doubt that the Donithorne families of the two Parishes will be connected. I have not yet been able to track down Job or his marriage but I have his wife listed as 'Margaret' and know that she predeceased him. The only children I currently have listed for Job are:-
Job - I believe he is the man who married Thomasine Berriman at Zennor 1st January 1730 Mary - Most likely the girl who married Andrew Stevens at Towednack 3rd February 1738 and then was buried at Morvah 1st May 1795. (10 children) Margery - married John Berriman at Zennor 10th September 1737 and buried there 12th April 1738 Alice - married John Richards at Zennor 12th September 1735
Because of the BT situation I do not have details of the other children.
The Christian names of Pearce and Joamima (Jemima?) are not known to me at that time, at least in Zennor, but that is possibly not relevant. Pearce is possibly a given name taken from the surname of another member of the family. (e.g. Job's wife or it may have been the maiden name of the mother of one of these two.)
Jemima is another matter and is, as I recall, a Biblical name - just as is Job.
Once again, that is probably the best I can do for now but will keep following this and see if I can dig up anything further that might help us.
Being Zennor it is particular interest to me also given the connections between Zennor families and Towednack in particular.
Let's keep working and we will dig up some answers.
I too suspect a connection. I did a bit of a look at the Donithornes generally a number of years ago and I could not definitely place all the Gulval ones, as there are clearly "missing" christenings (in particular) for a number of the people named in the register.
There were also some Donithornes in St Ives in the 1660s, children of a David Donithorne and a Dolfin Donithorne from memory, whether these though have any bearing on Job's ancestry is impossible to say at present.
Looks like Pearce must have been the eldest child to Job known thus far. Hence Job was married by 1693, and born for argument's sake circa 1670.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 9, 2007 9:54:10 GMT -5
I am trying to remember where I got the information that Margaret was the wife of Job Donithorne. Have decided to try working through some of the copies of Wills that I have available as that seems the most likely source.
In doing this I found another one for you at Towednack:-
JOHN HODGE, husbandman, of Towednack
written: 19 Sep 1638 proved: 20 Nov 1638
son: WILLIAM 10 sh now another 20 later daughter: PRUDENCE w/o RICHARD EDWARD 10 sh daughter: JANE w/o RICHARD DONITHORN 10 sh daughter: CHESTON 6 sh 8 d JOHN s/o WILLIAM HODGE 12 d THOMASIN d/o RICHARD EDWARDS 1 ewe sheep servant: BLANCHE 1 ewe lamb wife: THOMASIN all the rest & executrix
witnesses: GEORGE NINES, RICHARD TAILOR, JAMES TREWHELA
Inventory taken 22 Sep 1638 by JOHN PARSONS & GEORGE NINES
So they had connections to Towednack also as early as 1638.
ELIZABETH UPCOAT, of Zennor
written: 11 May 1678 proved: 22 July 1678
son: NICHOLAS BERYMAN 12 L featherbed, bolster, a pair of blankets, a pair of sheets, 1 coverlet, now lying in the middle chamber MARGERY d/o NICHOLAS BERYMAN 1 brass pan of 5 gallons daughter: JANE DONITHORNE 12 L & 1 chest ANE LYMBARY 20 sh. grandchildren: children of WILLIAM DONITHORNE 40 sh. each child of WILLIAM LYMBRY 1 sh. poor of Gulval 10 sh. poor of Zennor 10 sh. son-in-law: JOHN LYMBRY all the rest & executor
Elizabeth ( ) Upcote
witnesses: CONSTANCE VEALE, WILLIAM VEALE, RICHARD VEALE
Inventory 17 July 1678 by WILL VEAL & JOHN "M" THOMAS
This connection goes back to a marriage at Gulval in 1632 between William Donithorne and Jane Berriman.
There are other Wills pertaining to Donithorne of Gulval but I will stick, for now, with anything relating to Zennor.
RICHARD BLIGHT of St. Erth, yeoman
written: 23 Jul 1760 proved: 16 May 1763
daughter: MARGARET TREMELLING 1 sh. her husband ALEXANDER TREMELLING 1 sh. son: RICHARD BLIGHT 1 sh. wife: MARGERY house & premises in Tredrea in St. Erth for life & executrix; after her death to daughter MARGARET TREMELLING, then to ALEXANDER TREMELLING, s/o MARGARET mentions estate in Pednapons in St. Erth to wife then to RICHARD & SAMUEL ss/o son RICHARD BLIGHT after wife's death all to go to the children of his son and daughter equally guardians for grandsons: friends JOHN BERRYMAN & JOB DONITHORNE of Zennor Churchtown
witnesses: ANN BAKER, JNO. EDWARDS
Vol. 8, p. 416 ++++++++++++
I am presuming this Job Donithorne was the son of the 'man in question' of your initial query. If so then it means he was still living in 1760.
MATHEW TRENWITH of Towednack, gent
written: not dated proved: 7 Dec 1658
son: MATHEW a silver cuppe, 2 hand trays gilded w/ gold, one mare w/ her 2 colts, 10 pounds cousin: WILLIAM JENKEN one mare BRIGET DINHAM one ewe cousin: ANNE BANFULL one ewe LUCE DONTHORNE one ewe lamb MARGARET PILL one ewe lamb KATHERINE BYERS one ewe CHRISTOPHER BARY one ewe lamb godchildren 1 sh. each THIRTY (sic?) HOSKING one ewe wife: JANE & our son MATHEW all the rest & executors
witnesses: NICHOLAS HOSKIN, WILLIAM CALENSOW
PCC, 62 Pell
RICHARD DAVY of Zennor, yeoman
written: 3 Mar 1644/5 proved: 9 Jun 1647
poor of Zennor 5 sh. daughter: PHILLIP 1 sh. 6 d. & 6 d. to her daughter JANE son: MARTIN DAVY 1 sh. & to ELIZABETH his wife 6 d. godson: RICHARD s/o MARTIN DONATHORN 6 d. ELIZABETH d/o SAMUEL BLIGHT 4 d. sister: GRACE DOUBT wife's best waistcoat her daugther TEMPERENCE 6 d. daughter: SYBILL 13 pounds 6 sh. 8 d son: THOMAS DAVY 1/2 tent. in Busswednacke in Zennor, all the rest & executor son: MARTIN DAVY same
Richard ( ) Davy
Witnesses: SAM: SWEETE, vickar, JAMES (+) PHILLIPPE
Inventory taken 27 March 1647 by JOHN ( ) PHILLIP and NICHOLAS BERRIMAN.
I have now been through the Wills abstracts from one source and am unable to find the reason for Margaret being the name of Job's wife.
I still have a lot more to work through but that will take some time.
As mentioned, I have largely left the Gulval connections out of this as there was no mention of Job or Margaret or any direct connection with Zennor. There are some connections to Morvah but I will need to follow up on that later on.
The coupld of Towednack mentions should catch your eye but they could be connected with St Ives also.
I also have an abstract of the 1660's document for David Donithorne of St Ives whose brother was Dolphin.
Time to close for now and I will try and look more at the rest of what I have in the next day or so.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2007 14:29:05 GMT -5
Quite possible but I will need to look at it a little later. Still getting over a long week working late at the Pub, the Staff 'do' on Sunday (no alcohol, of course! ), a couple more nights work, going up town to pick up the supplies today ...............
Oh, yeah - have a few more queries to look at.
Facetious little person I can be sometimes.
Never mind, will have a quick look at the remaining messages and then go and have some 'tucker' while I watch a DVD.
After that it will be sleep and then have a more serious look at some of this in the next couple of days. (Believe I have some rest coming.)
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 21, 2007 14:51:24 GMT -5
Trencrom - have just had an opportunity to start reviewing some postings and have something to offer here for you to consider.
It is in regard to the 1666 baptism at Zennor of Edna daughter of Richard Donithorne.
I have five entries in my database that might be 'somehow' connected.
1. Richard Donithorne, of Gulval, m. Ann Gregory at Paul 15 July 1661 (Gulval is close and the time-frame would fit but ...)
2. Richard Donithorne m. Jane HODGE sometime before 1631 and was mentioned in the 1638 Will of John HODGE at Towednack where son David was bp. 16 January 1630.
3. Richard Donithorne m. Jemima DAVY at Zennor 3 December 1715
4. Richard Donithorne s/o Martin Donithorne born before 1644. (Mentioned in the 1644 Will of Richard DAVY of Zennor)
5. Hmmm. this one does not seem to fit at all. bp. Gulval 2 February 1650 s/o William and Jane (who was nee BERRIMAN) Richard m. Elizabeth Bennetts at Gulval 26 January 1680 and was buried there 6 Jul 1731. (I have a list of 8 children of whom none match the scenario.)
The frustrating thing here of course is that the christening record for Edna does not give her mother's given name.
Thanks for reminder about the Richard D Jemima Davy marriage. I have the marriage in my notes, but these were compiled when I was looking at the Gulval family well over a decade ago, and well before I found the family of Job at Zennor I see from the online IGI that their children were christened at Sancreed and Gulval. This probably indicates that it was Jemima who was from Zennor and Richard from Gulval. I have placed Richard as the Richard christened on 9/2/1687 to Richard Donithorne senior, i.e. the Richard who as you say married Elizabeth Bennatts
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 23, 2007 10:29:14 GMT -5
And you have just highlighted something here that I have been commenting on for years.
I was curious as to your mention of children of Richard and Jemima being baptised at Sancreed so decided to do a bit of a check on things.
I have a copy (from the OPC) of the Sancreed Baptisms and, from 1700 until at least about 1748 there is NO Donithorne (var.) mentioned.
Then checked the online IGI and found Mary bp. 19th April 1719 at Sancreed.
When I checked my database for this family which was last updated 11th March 2001 I found something interesting:-
Mary d/o Richard and Jemima Donithorne bp. 19th April 1719 at GULVAL! (and the reference was from IGI)
I have exactly the same scenario with son Richard who, in 2001, was recorded in IGI as being baptised at GULVAL but is now recorded as baptised SANCREED.
And I notice that only a Film Number (455801) is quoted here. If you try a search for the name using the IGI Batch Number for Sancreed you will find nothing in the relevant time-frame.
I think SANCREED may be safely removed from the equation in this case.
Currently I show only three children for Richard and Jemima and I wonder if there were more.
I have Jemima bp. 1716/17 Gulval, Mary bp 1719 Gulval and Richard bp. 1722 Gulval.
The fact that these children are all baptised at Gulval is certainly suggestive of the fact that this was Richard's home Parish.
But his second 'known' daughter was named MARY which makes me wonder if, as you have elected, he was the son of Richard and ELIZABETH (nee Bennetts).
Jemima was obviously named for her mother and Richard for his father and, possibly, grandfather.
MARY is the 'nasty thing' in the woodpile here.
Will leave you to think about and then comment on this but now a question.
Where, and to whom, do you think Jemima DAVY belongs.
Bearing in mind the gap between 1649 and 1673 I can find the following 'possible' marriages:-
John DAVIE & [____] [____] 3rd July 1674 Zennor John DAVIE & Elizabeth ARGELL 31st December 1687 Zennor
BTW - JEMIMA DONITHORN, widow, buried 15th February 1761 at GULVAL
Would guess that Richard must be one of the following:-
Richard Donithorne buried 16th March 1724 at Gulval Richard Donithorn buried 6th July 1731 at Gulval Richard Donithorn buried 9th January 1738 at Gulval Richard Donithorn buried 30th December 1741 at Gulval Richard Donithorn buried 3rd October 1755 at Gulval
ALSO - re Edna Donithorn
David POLMEAR & EDNA DONITHORN married 30th December 1687 at Zennor.
Looks like you may have found this Edna's marriage.
On the name "Mary" -- this is one of those given names that seems to occur somewhere in every family. I understand what you are saying, but I would like to know more about the names in Jemima's family first.
There were numerous Richards in the Donithorne family and so trying to allocate burials for them, in the absence of probate records is reaklly tricky. I recall finding numerous Donithorne burials (not just Richards) that I could not allocate even as guesses. I think though that you are safe with the burial of Jemima D.