|
Post by lucrezia on Feb 19, 2009 7:05:54 GMT -5
Hi I am searching for abraham stevens from penzance. We now spell it stephens but according to past records it was stevens. Perhaps there is a link. Any help would be appreciated.
|
|
|
Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 19, 2009 14:14:56 GMT -5
Hi Lucrezia - welcome to the site. I have a couple of Abrahams in my database but they are St Ives and Phillack. Can you supply us with a little more to work with so that we might more easily identify your Abraham? Will take a look at it a little later on for you. Really must get some sleep now as it is gone 0600hrs. Be waiting for your next, CT
|
|
|
Post by marychown on Mar 8, 2009 5:51:48 GMT -5
In response to an earlier thread in this exchange of information on the Thomas family of Zennor, I have a question.
In my ancestry I have John Thomas (baptised 17 March 1737 Zennor),who I believe was the son of Hannibal Thomas and Charity Stephens and from what I can make out great-great-grandson of George Thomas alias George Trithall of Zennor marrying at Zennor on 8 June 1762 Mary Thomas (baptised 15 August 1741 at Zennor). I have as the parents of Mary Thomas, Matthew Thomas (born 1714 of Treen, Zennor) who married Ann Roberts (baptised 28 April 1719 at Towednack), who were married at Towednack on 26 April 1740. I am not sure who were the parents of this Matthew Thomas and wonder whether anyone on this forum has that information. I believe that Ann Roberts was the daughter of John Roberts (baptised 15 May 1681 Towednack) and Mary Curnow (baptised 15 May 1681).
Any information on the lineage of Matthew Thomas of Treen, Zennor born 1714 would be greatly appreciated.
Mary
|
|
|
Post by marychown on Mar 8, 2009 6:13:44 GMT -5
I forgot to add the following in my previous posting.
I have read on-line this information about Matthew Thomas of Treen: Matthew Thomas of Treen, Zennor, was fundamental in bringing John Wesley to Cornwall.
Also
Taken from Blight's Churches of West Cornwall 1864:
'I have here to thank the Rev. William Borlase, Vicar of Zennor, for permission to copy from the account book of a former vicar the note relating to the dated sill removed from the west end of the nave as well as for the following curious extract from the Parish Register' -
"Be it remembered that on Sunday, the 27th June 1762, Thomas Osborne of Trewey, Robert Michell of Tregarthen, MATTHEW THOMAS OF TREEN, and Elizabeth Phillips of the Church Town, brought butter and cheese into the chancel in the time of Divine Service, imagining, I suppose, that it would be accepted instead of their tithes for cows and calves, but not being taken away by them or anyone else, it grew offensive. I ordered the Church Wardens, under pain of being cited to the Spiritual Court, to remove the same as an indecency and nusance to the congregation. I here insert, lest my successor should be imposed upon by being told that I accepted of that or any other butter or cheese instead of tithes for cows and calves, which I assure him that I did not, nor of any other sort of tithe according to the Tenor of the Terrier dated 1727 and held in the Register of the Consistory Court". NB Samuel Michell, brother of the said Robert, and (John) Baragwanath were Church Wardens (and removed) the said butter and cheese as (a nusance at) my command - J.B. V".
|
|
|
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 8, 2009 7:10:43 GMT -5
Hi Mary let's see if I can help. As far as I have been able to ascertain Matthew THOMAS was the son of George THOMAS who married Jane PHILLIPS at Zennor 27th April 1706. I do not have a baptism for Matthew so must wonder how you have determined his birth as 1714? However, Matthew was named in the Will of his father in 1724 along with brother George and sister Chesten. There are three further children I believe to be siblings of Matthew who I do not have recorded as being mentioned in that Will. John bp. May 1715 at Zennor Robert bp. 3rd June 1718 at Zennor Jane bp. 15th September 1722 at Zennor George Thomas was named in the Will of his uncle James Thomas in 1675. He was also named (along with cousin Hannibal) as residual legatee and executor in the Will of his uncle John Thomas in 1698. Also named in the Will of his uncle Matthew Thomas in 1704 and that of his father, Thomas Thomas, the same year. George was the grandson of George THOMAS and Cheston DAVY. John THOMAS was certainly the son of Hannibal and Charity although I have not yet determined the parents of Hannibal. It is interesting though that Hannibal's son Hannibal appears to be the same man who also married a Charity STEVENS. Hannibal 'may' be the son of Nicholas THOMAS and Rebecca EDDY who married at Zennor 7th April 1698 in which case he would have been a first cousin to Matthew. But he might also have been the son of Hannibal THOMAS who married firstly Cheston BERRIMAN at Zennor 16th June 1688 and then secondly Jane TREGEARE. It appears all children were from the marriage to Jane TREGEARE but I am yet to locate that event. I must say that this last is supposition at the moment and based on the 1726 Will of Hannibal THOMAS in which he bequeathed to his 'brother-in-law William TREGEARE two pounds and ten shillings'. This amount was reduced in the Codicil to forty shillings. CT
|
|
|
Post by marychown on Mar 8, 2009 8:31:09 GMT -5
Many thanks for getting back to me with all that information, CT.
I have to apologise because I do believe that Matthew Thomas of Treen, Zennor was born in 1713. I have that information from a family tree of Matthew Thomas of Treen, Zennor (1713-97) who married Ann Roberts of Towednack at Towednack on 26 April 1740. I have in my possession a hand-drawn copy of that tree which shows my own lineage, which I will send to you as an email attachment.
Mary
|
|
|
Post by lucrezia on Mar 19, 2009 23:54:03 GMT -5
Hi bit new to this andd getting lost. Abraham Stevens married Phyllis Thomas 17/02/1801, his father was Henry Stevens and his mother was Ann ??? Have a few places here, Trenethy, it looks like and lower mill Zennor, Also it seems Phyllis Thomas's father was George Thomas and her mother Elizabeth Stevens, maybe cousins.
|
|
|
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 20, 2009 1:54:38 GMT -5
Hi Lucrezia - you can ignore my request on the other thread as you are already answering. But now I am a little confused! Firstly - the place name will probably be Trewithy and also Lower Mill would be correct. Now the information about the marriage is what has me confused. And the reason is because of the following entry from Phillimore for a marriage at Zennor:- William Stevens, of Gwennap, & Phillis Thomas, lic. 18th February 1801 I am presuming that the marriage you have given us took place at Zennor?? If so then I must wonder whether the entry in Phillimore is an error. It would not be the first time I have seen an error like this but I would like to be certain. So could you please confirm the details of the marriage and tell me the source? It is also interesting given you have quoted places so it would be a good one to get sorted out. I notice there is one child baptised to Abraham and Phillis at Zennor - Nanny 7th February 1819. I guess there were earlier children but - where were they baptised? I will be looking forward to your response on this one! CT
|
|
|
Post by guyg01 on Mar 27, 2009 17:40:16 GMT -5
Hi I have just gone back to chasing my Stevens and Thomas ancestors in Zennor and as part of my search I have come scross this thread. I am intrigued to find that it has just arrived one of my key areas! Abraham Stevens and Phillis Thomas were married in Zennor on 18 Feb 1801. Phillimore and IGI are both incorrect - the husband's forename is not William (that is the forename on the line above in the Zennor P.R of which I have a copy on microfiche). The only child of Abraham and Phillis baptised at Zennor is Nancy (also later known as Ann) on 7 Feb 1819. Ann married Digory Ackerly Penhall on 7 Aug 1841 in Penzance Registry Office (they are my 3x great grandparents). Earlier today I had a look for siblings and came across the following on IGI:William Thomas Stevens, baptised 26 Dec 1803, St Ives, Father Abraham, Mother Phillis. Abraham was buried at Zennor on 6 Jun 1825 aged 46 - suggesting a birth year of 1779. This fits quite well with the Abraham who dies in Zennor in 1825. The IGI lists the baptism at St Ives on 27 Feb 1780 of an Abraham Stevens, son of Henry and Ann. Siblings appear to include Henry ba. 22 Oct 1769, William ba. 1 Sep 1771, John ba. 11 Apr 1773, Thomas 14 Sep 1774, James - also baptised on 27 Feb 1780 and Samuel ba.8 Dec 1782. I have Phillis Thomas as ba. 22 May 1774 the daughter of Thomas Thomas ba 30 Dec 1749 and Mary Richards married 29 Feb 1772 at Zennor. Thomas Thomas was the son of George Thomas and Phillis Quick who were married on 26 Feb 1732/3 at Zennor. I think that this George was the son of George Thomas and Jane Phillips who were married on 27 Apr 1706 at Zennor - but I can only suggest this at the moment. Incidently I cam across this reference as well earlier today - www.paulhyb.homecall.co.uk/news/SHER1775.HTMSherborne and Yeovil Mercury 1775 1775 29 May Thomas George - yeoman Zennor Cornwall wife Phillis eloped If this was our George and Phillis (Quick) then she would have been pushing 60 - so I suspect that it must have been a younger couple! The Cornwall census project lists the following household : 1841 Census Zennor Enumeration District 15 Folio 16 Page 6 Church Village,1,William Stevens,37,,Miner Tin,In county, ,,Catherine Stevens,,35,,In county, ,,William Stevens,13,,,In county, ,,Elizabeth Stevens,,9,,In county, ,,Catherine Stevens,,5,,In county, ,,Abraham Stevens,3,,,In county, ,,Ann Stevens,,2,,In county, I have not had a chance to look forward to 1851 - I think that this may well be William Thomas Stevens ba. 26 Dec 1803 and his family. At some point I am hoping to get to grips with the earlier Thomas family. I have not got copies of any of the wills which appear from ealrier in the thread to be crucial - the parish registers are too incomplete for the period pre -1730 for a certain line to be reconstructed and the bishops transcripts held by CRO run to 162 pages and have not been photographed or copied. I hope that this is of help. Regards Guy
|
|
|
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 28, 2009 1:13:57 GMT -5
Welcome to the site Guy and thankyou for your most welcome input. To the siblings of Abraham I believe we can add Mary bp. 1st January 1785 and Matthew bp. 2nd March 1791 - both at St Ives. I believe the parents to be:- Henry STEPHENS, mason, m. Ann COGGAR at St Ives 25th November 1768. I have not, as yet, tried to work out who Henry STEPHENS was but that will be a project for another day. Your clarification of the marriage for Abraham is also most welcome and highlights a problem I have seen many times before. (In fact I believe I have been guilty of it myself!) That is how I show the family also. I believe this last George to have been the son of Thomas and Jane (m.n. unknown) - This Thomas having left a Will in 1706. He in turn was, I believe, the son of George THOMAS and Cheston DAVY who married sometime around 1623. I have copies or transcripts of most of the THOMAS Wills from Zennor through to around 1730 and have reconstructed much of the family from those. I cannot guarantee absolute accuracy but it is certainly a reasonable scenario. Do you have a burial for Phillis by any chance? I have just had a look and the only Phillis THOMAS I can find buried at Zennor is this one:- 3 Apr 1837 Phillis Thomas of Church Town aged 69 But that places the birth around 1767 which is a little early - unless there is another error involved. The information on the elopement is most interesting but I am at a loss as to who Phillis might have been. Thanks again for your input and I will look forward to further discussion on this family. CT
|
|
|
Post by guyg01 on Mar 28, 2009 4:40:06 GMT -5
Hi CT
Abraham Stevens of Trewithy, Zennor was buried on 6 June 1825 aged 46. Phillis Stevens of Lowr Mill, Zennor was buried on 5 April 1828 aged 54. Phyllis’s father Thomas Thomas of Church Town, Zennor was buried on 8 Apr 1830 aged 80 years.
I would very much like to see the early wills - could you possibly let me have copies?
Regards
Guy
|
|
|
Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 28, 2009 5:51:46 GMT -5
No problem Guy. Many are in abstract form but I do have complete (or near complete) transcripts of some of them saved in MSWord format. If you can let me know your email address I can send them as attachments. You can also, if you wish, enable your email address so it can be accessed from the main page here. If you wish to contact me via email you will find the email icon to the left along with the PM icon. CT
|
|
|
Post by lucrezia on Apr 9, 2009 2:22:36 GMT -5
Hi cousin noweth, we have the same lineage. I am g,g,g,granddaughter to Abraham as well, I think I have enough greats in there. I'm not very good at this genealogy stuff but trying. You are all great and a big help.
|
|
|
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 9, 2009 3:28:49 GMT -5
Hi Lucrezia - don't be concerned about being 'not very good' at genealogy because we all had to start somewhere and it is not the easiest game to play. We will help you all we can and try and give you a few clues along the way. Keep plugging away and stay involved here and let's see if we can help you find some more answers. CT
|
|
|
Post by marychown on Jun 8, 2009 12:34:38 GMT -5
I am returning to the Thomas family of Zennor.
Hannibal Thomas and Jane Thomas nee Quick who were married at Zennor on 16 July 1796 moved to farm in St. Levan parish sometime between 1805 and 1808. Their son Thomas Thomas was baptised at St. Levan on 31 July 1808 and was buried at Sancreed on 24 Feb 1885. From notes handed down to me from my family, I have always understood that he married Ann Tremewan Barnicoat. St. Buryan marriage register records the following marriage:
9 Jan 1833 by Banns and consent of all parties - Thomas Thomas of St. Levan, Bachelor, & Nancy Barnicoat of this parish, Spinster (Mark). Witnesses George Wallis and William Thomas.
1851 Census living at Botrea, Sancreed, can be found living with their children: Thomas Thomas, Head, Married, 43, farm labourer, born St. Levan, Cornwall Ann Thomas, Wife, Married, 48, born St. Hilary, Cornwall (Surely this is an error and it should be 38, as it is not consistent with any of the other entries regarding her age? Also, as the couple were married with the consent of all parties, this would surely mean that she was under the age of 21 when she married?);
1861 Census living at Little Botrea, Sancreed, together with their children: Thomas Thomas, Head, Married, 52, Farmer of 52 acres, born St. Levan Ann Thomas, Wife, Married, 47, born St. Hilary, Cornwall;
1871 Census living at Jericho, Sancreed with two of their children are: Thomas Thomas, Head, Married, 62, farmer of 60 acres, born St. Levan, Cornwall Ann Thomas, Wife, Married, 57, born St. Hilary, Cornwall.
From these entries it appears fairly consistently that Ann Thomas was born in about 1813 in St. Hilary. Her burial entry in Sancreed burial register records: 19 June 1874 Ann Tremewan Thomas of Jericho aged 61. So far, I have been unable to find a baptism record for Ann (Nancy) Barnicoat of the appropriate age anywhere. There are several families recorded in the St. Levan/St. Buryan area called Barnicoat and Tremewan, and I am wondering if there is a link to these families.
1881 Census Thomas Thomas is recorded as a widower, Farmer, aged 72, born at St. Levan and living with his unmarried Farmer son Henry Thomas aged 27, born at Sancreed and Grace Nicholls, Niece, 27, Housekeeper, born at Zennor, Cornwall. Grace Nicholls (baptised at Zennor on 21 Aug 1853) was the daughter of Thomas's sister, Hannah Thomas, who married John Nicholls of Kerrow, Zennor in 1840. John and Hannah Nicholls and their family later moved to farm at Perranuthnoe.
Sancreed burial register records 24 Feb 1885 - Thomas Thomas of Botrea aged 76.
Please does anyone have any ideas as to where and when Ann (Nancy) Tremewan Barnicoat was baptised and to which family she belonged? I'd be most grateful for any input.
Mary
|
|