Trencrom - I have finally got myself back to taking a look at this Thomas family.
I don't have much to add other than comments and queries at this time but I have at least re-read everything we have discussed so far.
I will start with the Richard DAVY part of the discussion where it seems that I had a problem remembering that Richard jnr. could not have been the son of the 1629 Testator.
The elder Richard nominated Cheston as his ONLY daughter yet the younger Richard named a sister as Grace.
A couple of points from the Will of Richard DAVY 1629.
My reading is that Richard TREGENHORNE was the husbnd of Elizabeth and that Margery and Margaret were their daughters.
I also think that Luce HICKS (with daughter Elizabeth) was probably a daughter of Richard's daughter Luce MORRACKE.
As I see the struture of the Will we first have mention of son-in-law George Thomas and his wife Cheston, only daughter of the Testator. (In fact the Will reads as if Cheston may be his only child.)
We then have mention of Richard's two sisters and it then appears to be children of those sisters.
After this we have one extremely interesting bequest before his grandchildren are invlved.
PHILIP d/o THOMAS QUICK 6d.
What is so special about this daughter of Thomas Quick is the question I have to ask.
In 1640 Philippa was also mentioned in the Will of Philippa BISHOP who was the daughter of Matthew PHILLIPS of 1628.
And a couple of months later she married Israel MICHELL at Zennor. (Israel is reported to have died at the battle of Taunton in 1645. A letter, reputedly written in a form to suggest a Will, is deposited at the Cornwall Record Office. It is dated 1645 and names 'my loving wife Pilip at Zennor'.)
SO - is this girl perhaps the link somehow between these families
And, if so, in what way.
Somehow I think we need to find out more about Philip QUICK.
The last bequests in Richard's Will are to what appear to be the children of George and Cheston Thomas.
BUT - are they all children of George and Cheston?
Nominally (i.e. names known from other sources to belong to children of George) Margaret, John Mathew, Elizabeth, Thomas and Haniball 'could' be Richard Davy's grandchildren.
But where does Peter fit in unless he as another son of George but pre-deceased his father??
If he were another son then it may be that one or other, or perhaps both, the two 'odd' groups of presumed children mentioned in George Thomas' Will might have belonged to him.
Let me presume that, apart from Haniball, Richard DAVY named the THOMAS children in order of birth:-
Haniball
Margaret
John
Mathew
Peter] received a
Elizabeth] joint bequest
Thomas
I am going to assume for now that Peter must be another son and that he died sometime before his father in 1667. (Does this perhaps explain why Thomas named a son Peter?)
With the children of George now in this order some things start to become a little clearer.
Some comments on each:-
Haniball - assumed to be the eldest because he was named executor of his grandfather's Will in 1629 but where did the name Haniball come from
Margaret - her name amongst the early children makes sense given she died before 1666 and had five children although her own daughter Margaret appears to have been unmarried and I think it was she who wa buried at Zennor in 1760. She was certaily still living in 1726 as per the Will of her 'cousin' Haniball Thomas.
John - remained unmarried and to be expected amongst the first children given I believe his grandfather was John Thomas. He signed the Protestation Return in 1641 so must have been born before 1623.
Matthew - also signed the Protestation Return and was married with two children by 1666.
Peter - the unknown but, as Thomas named a son Peter, it becomes logical that he does belong here.
Elizabeth - is probably my main concern. As she was named in her grandfather's Will she must have been born prior to it's writing. She married in 1666 and had four surviving children so I would place her birth no earlier than 1626.
Thomas - known to have been baptised in 1629 and was married with an unknown number of children by the time of his father's death in 1666 ("unto every one of my son Thomas his children" indicates (to me) three or more).
And I just realised that the mention of his (Thomas) children in the Will of brother James in 1675 is not quite cut and dried.
I have always assumed that the five children mentioned (but not named) by James were all the children of Thomas at that time and that the remaining two were born later.
However "Thomas
five children that is at home" now appears a little ambiguous to me.
This may actually mean that two of the seven children of Thomas were no longer at home although of the six known marriages for his children the earliest was in 1694.
If all the above is correct (or at least near so) then the two remaining sons of George, James and William, must have been born after 1629.
Some final comments and requests.
Margaret - was this possibly the name of George's mother?
George named sons John and Matthew as executors of his Will and in that order which I think, apart from probably been named after George's father, indicates that John was the elder.
He also named his younger sons in the order of William and then James so I take it that James was the youngest and, in any case, only in his forties when he died.
In our last discussions (I notice now over twelve months ago you indicated you would send me a transcript of, or at least details from, the Will of George Thomas' father.
Could you please do that when you have a chance.
I would also like as much of th BT information as you can send me, primarily on anyone involved with the Thomas and Davy families in this discussion but also the Quick, Michell and Phillips families in particular.
Well, I think I have rambled on enough for now and it is time I looked at some other queries.
Hope I have made some sense here.
CT