francie
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siblings, particularly his twin James
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Post by francie on Nov 30, 2014 0:09:37 GMT -5
Am confused as to how to participate. Very new member. I am descended from the aforementioned Abraham. The son Abraham = Mary Hosking b Gwinear. Youngest son Philip Hosking Stephens = Jane Ann Richards, my g grandfather. Migrated to Oz, to Bendigo.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 1, 2014 14:02:25 GMT -5
Hi Francie - If you have any comments to make about anything on the subject simply compile them in a post for us to read. If you have any questions then just ask them and give a few details so we know exactly who or what the questions relate to. Likewise if you want to add something that might help someone else then just describe the details of who you are commenting on and add the information or comments. Just remember to not place any details of living persons online. CT
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Post by silverstream on Jul 8, 2015 8:11:54 GMT -5
Hi I am new to the site from NZ. Thomas Thomas (1829) and Anne Thomas came to NZ on the Edwin Fox in 1878 with their 9 children: Mary b 1852 Thomas b 1858 Ann b 1859 Jane b 1861 Lily b1862 Matthew b 1863 Hannibal b 1867 Charity b 1868 John b 1872
Ann was the daughter of William Thomas and Ann Richards and b 1830.
Thomas Thomas 1829 was the son of Thomas Thomas 1805 and Mary Berryman 1805 daughter of David and Jane (nee Osborn).
This is what I have. Can anyone confirm I have the right families? Also who were the parents of Thomas Thomas b 1805.
I also have a Charity & Hannibal but don't know if they fit.
I do have some death certificates.
Would welcome any help. Thanks
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 9, 2015 9:54:37 GMT -5
Hi silverstream and Welcome to Penwith Genealogy. No, this is incorrect. Ann Thomas was baptized at Zennor 30th January 1831 daughter of Hannibal Thomas and Charity Thomas who married at Zennor in 1825. And that might possibly answer your final query about . Thomas Thomas (husband of Mary Berryman) was baptized at Zennor 22nd May 1803 and was a son of William Thomas and Mary Quick who married at Zennor in 1787. Regarding the children of Thomas and Ann Thomas - I presume 'Lily' will be Elizabeth who was baptized 6th July 1862 at Zennor. The complete list of children for Thomas and Ann is:- Ann (1852-1856) Mary (1854) Charity (1856-1867) Thomas (1857) Ann (1859) Jane (1861) Elizabeth (Lily?) (1862) Matthew (1863) Hannibal (1867) Charity (1869) John (1872) I would be interested in copies of those death certificates for my own collection if that is possible. If you are happy to do that then let me know and I will give you my email address via PM (Personal Message). CT
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Post by silverstream on Jul 9, 2015 19:23:20 GMT -5
Hi Thank you so much. I have had conflicting information from family and online. There are many Thomas Thomas's it seems and many Thomas families married Thomas's. My Great grandmother was the Charity Thomas (daughter of Thomas Thomas & Ann Thomas) who came to NZ in 1878 on the Edwin Fox. This ship is being restored or is at least under cover and preserved in Picton NZ. There is a lot of interest in it. I have most of the descendants who came to NZ. Once in NZ the family settled in Blenheim NZ and did not move far for the first few generations. Was there only one church in Zennor? Is it the church that features on the Cornish Family History website? Do you know where I can get any early photos. I will sort out which certificates I have and get back to you. Thanks also to the person who messaged me and sent me details. I only found this website 2 days ago and I have my problem sorted. Thanks so much from a wintery NZ. Jeanette
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Post by silverstream on Jul 9, 2015 23:22:09 GMT -5
Hi So from looking at the family tree I was sent Thomas Thomas(1829) & Ann Thomas (1831) both came from George Thomas (Before 1590-1667) & Cheston Davy. Their ancestors John Thomas 1737 & Charity Thomas (1744) were brothers and sisters . Interesting that my Grandmother & Great Grandmother were both Charity. GGmother Charity Thomas & Gmother Charity Day. I don't think Charity went any further in NZ. This is Charity Thomas who came to NZ Jeanette Attachments:
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Post by lissie on Jul 10, 2015 6:24:16 GMT -5
Hi, I am a new member, and my query is rather a long shot, but maybe someone can help.
I have a reference to a Matthew Thomas of Zennor from a book which claims that he owned or rented land and a shepherd’s hut at Land’s End: ‘The building goes back to the 1600s. There are definite seventeenth century characteristics, and it was used by one Matthew Thomas of Boswednack near Zennor who kept sheep at Land's End ...he used it until the property became part of the estate.
I contacted the author, but he did not remember from where this information came. So did the Thomas’s really have land and a hut at Land’s End, and what was the ‘estate’ which acquired it, terminating Matthew’s holding?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2015 4:53:52 GMT -5
Yes, there is only one Church in Zennor although there was at least one, and probably more, Non-conformist Chapel in the Parish during the 1800s. If you google 'Zennor' you should find a number of sites that will have some early photos of the Church and other parts of the Parish.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2015 7:16:19 GMT -5
Hmmmm - I am not so sure about that! From work I did on the Thomas families of Zennor a couple of years back my opinion is that this Charity Thomas (1745 daughter of Hannibal and Charity) is the one who married Nicholas Christopher at Zennor in 1767. Charity Thomas bp. 1744 was the daughter of Matthew Thomas and Catherine Curnow and she married Hannibal Thomas (1735 son of Hannibal and Charity) at Zennor in 1770. In fact I don't show any direct connection at all for Thomas and Ann Thomas to John Thomas and Charity Thomas. It is certainly very likely that the connections go right back to George Thomas and Cheston Davy but in my opinion it is certainly not via John and Charity. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 11, 2015 7:23:31 GMT -5
Hi 'lissie' and Welcome to you also. I don't have the answer to that question but Londoner I think is still a volunteer at the St Ives Archive centre. Perhaps there might be something in the Archives that might shed some light on this. There was a Thomas family from Zennor who went to St Levan sometime between 1805 and 1808 but there was no Matthew among their children. That was Hannibal Thomas and Jane Quick who married at Zennor in 1796. Matthew died in a mine accident in 1809 leaving a widow and nine children amongst whom was another Matthew (1804-1859) who may have had some involvement with St Levan given his uncle's family was there. CT
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Post by silverstream on Jul 12, 2015 6:05:26 GMT -5
Hi It is very confusing with all the Thomas, Hanibal, & Charity Thomas's. I really don't know his you go about going further back when every family seems to have the same names.
Thanks for your help, I will try again. Jeanette
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 12, 2015 16:47:07 GMT -5
Hi Jeanette, It is all about being methodical really and following the leads provided by the various records. It has taken me many years and I am still not capable of getting everything 100% right but I have learnt over those years to be very careful and to check every piece of data I find as thoroughly as possible. I have also learnt not to be too trusting of the information that is recorded. Ages are always a problem and although some can be accurate it is very wise to allow for at least a couple of years either side when searching for possible birth or baptism records for a person. Ages in the Census records can very from Census to Census and in some cases a projected birth year can vary by up to 20 years!!! Also - do not take it for granted that names recorded in baptism records or even marriage records are always correct. The Clerks were human and the did make errors. There are some surnames, such as Thomas or Williams, that immediately signal difficulties but for any surname the use of common Christian names causes the same problems. Three different families with the same surname baptizing children using the same names over the same period cause can cause massive problems but often they can all be sorted out. I still have some issues with parts of the Thomas families of Zennor and I have a few who would have been born between around 1713 and 1750 that I have not been able to correctly place as yet. It may be just one or two small pieces of information to come my way and I will be able to solve the problem but until that happens I need to be patient. But don't be dismayed - look over your records again and form some ideas and whenever you have a query or need to ask for some help just post the details here and I will do my best to help you find the answers. CT
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Post by silverstream on Jul 12, 2015 17:35:01 GMT -5
Hi Thanks. I will. I only have time to do in-depth work in the school holidays, so it takes a lot of time. When the Thomas's came to NZ they seemed to stop all the family names, so its a bit easier to track, even though there were a few Thomas families in early Blenheim who had the same names - Thomas Thomas & William Thomas. Thanks again. Jeanette
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Post by silverstream on Jul 13, 2015 4:41:20 GMT -5
Hi I have sent Cornish Terrier some certificates. Can you tell me if Hanibal Thomas wife of charity and father of Ann Thomas who married Thomas Thomas in 1825 was a tin miner or a farmer. Thanks Jeanette
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 13, 2015 16:52:38 GMT -5
He was both. In 1825 when son Matthew was baptized he was a miner at Porthmear in Zennor. In 1828 and 1831 when Charity and Ann were baptized he was a miner at Gear in Zennor. (This Charity died in 1835) In 1833 when son Hannibal was baptized at Lelant Hannibal was recorded as a farmer at Nance, Lelant. In 1837 when second daughter Charity was baptized Hannibal was a farmer at Kerrow in Zennor. In 1839 when Mary was baptized he was a miner again and still in Zennor. In 1842 when Thomas was baptized he was again a miner at Kerrow in Zennor. CT
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