Post by staplehouse on Jul 27, 2010 23:25:19 GMT -5
Hi I have done a bit more research, with something to go on and found that Elizabeth Quick was baptism on the 26 January 1745 to parents Richard and Elizabeth Row she also had two others sister, Jane, and Anne,1748-1831 Elizabeth and Thomas Thomas also had two other sons, beside William, Thomas Thomas born 18 th June 1775 and Nicholas Thomas born28 December 1776 and on in 1811 he married Mary Anne Marrack this is what I found. Pleae correct me if not TJ
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 28, 2010 8:58:07 GMT -5
Partially correct TJ.
Elizabeth Quick had those two sisters as well as two brothers.
Eldest brother William was mentioned in two Wills of which one he was made executor but no baptism has been found for him. There was also a younger brother Richard who married Jane Baragwanath at St Hilary in 1781.
I still suspect St Hilary is very much connected with Thomas and Elizabeth.
The two brothers you mentioned for Thomas Thomas were baptised at Gulval.
But I believe it probable that the following were also children of Thomas and Elizabeth:-
Richard bp. 10th June 1781 St Hilary s/o Thomas and Elziabeth James bp. 11th January 1784 St Hilary s/o Thomas and Elizabeth Anne bp. 9th July 1786 St Hilary d/o Thomas and Elizabeth
There appears to be no other marriage that would account for these three so I think they do belong to your family.
A possible link to Zennor (and a reason William may have been baptised there) is that Elizabeth's sister Ann was at Zennor with her husband John Davy.
You mentioned a marriage in 1881 for Nicholas Thomas to Mary Ann Marrack.
I do not believe this is anything to do with your particular Thomas family.
There was a Nicholas Thomas s/o William and Elizabeth baptised at Paul in 1783 and it was at Paul that the aforementioned marriage occurred.
At least two children from the marriage of Nicholas Thomas and Mary Ann Marrack had MATTHEWS as part of their name - Elizabeth Matthews Thomas in 1816 and George Matthews Marrack Thomas in 1819.
I believe Mary Ann Marrack was the daughter of Philip Marrack and Mary MATTHEWS who married at Paul in 1781.
Post by staplehouse on Jul 28, 2010 23:29:57 GMT -5
Hi CT I was going by the IGI with relation to Nicholas and Mary Ann marriage where it stated he was the son of Thomas and Elizabeth Thomas at Gulval TJ all this is great as this better than what I was trying to marry all the other Thomas to mine which would not work. Just would be great to find out who Thomas Thomas father was??
Post by staplehouse on Jul 29, 2010 3:11:39 GMT -5
Hi Ct Thank you for that I will keep that in mind, I have been up the long garden path and do not want to go there again, so I will wait for you with more information, I trust you as you known what you are looking for and have the places to go to research. Thank you for giving me all that you have it is much appreicated. TJ
Hi I am new to this site and I am excited about the information posted here, just going through it all to see what relates to my research. Quite a while ago someone mentioned a Pedigree of the Thomas Family covering 8 generations starting from Matthew THOMAS 1713-1793 of Treen. It was compiled in 1922 by Gilbert Anderson. It covers 5 A3 sheets and appears to be quite comprehensive. However, there appears to be some deviation from what has been discussed on this forum, eg it states that John is the eldest son of Matthew and Ann, and he married Mary THOMAS in 1762. I also seem to recall that there was some confusion over the Nicholas CHRISTOPHERS and Charitys. I think what I am saying is that I have it here, if anyone wants me to forward any details, but I cannot be sure of its' accuracy. S
I believe that some time ago I mentioned the tree of Matthew Thomas and Ann Roberts which was drawn up in 1922 by Gilbert Anderson. I would greatly welcome any information that you have on this family, as I myself am a great-great-granddaughter of Catherine Thomas (1812-1894) who married William Nicholls of Kerrow, Zennor at St. Levan on 6 Feb 1836. Catherine Thomas was the daughter of Hannibal Thomas (1771-1853) and Jane Quick, Hannibal being the son of John and Mary Thomas who married at Zennor on 8 June 1762. I do remember seeing a copy of what must have been this tree many years ago and copying down relevant information from it regarding the names of the children of Matthew and Ann Thomas, John and Mary Thomas and Hannibal Thomas and Jane Quick as well as my own line from then down.
I know that the tree states that John was the eldest son of Matthew and Ann but no baptism can be found for a son called John for this couple. However, there is a daughter called Mary baptised at Zennor on 25 Aug 1741) and she appears to be the Mary Thomas who married John Thomas (son of Hannibal Thomas and Charity Stephens). The tree's information giving John as the son of Matthew and Ann Thomas greatly confused me for a very long time. Then I came across John Thomas's will.
John Thomas (born 1737) left a will dated 4 July 1794 and proven 1804 in which he writes:
'ALSO I give and bequeath unto my dear wife Mary Thomas nine pounds a year to pay the rent for the estate we now live on during her father MATTHEW THOMAS and her mother's lives time and after their decease there to be paid three pounds a year by my Executrix after my decease'.
It must surely be the case that, despite what the tree drawn up in 1922 by Gilbert Anderson shows, it was Mary Thomas (who was the daughter of Matthew and Ann Thomas) who married John Thomas (who was most likely the son of Hannibal Thomas and Charity Stephens) and who was a cousin.
My great-great grandfather William Nicholls (baptised Zennor 10 June 1809) who married Catherine Thomas was the son of Richard Nicholls and Elizabeth Christopher who were married at Zennor on 8 Aug 1801. Elizabeth was the daughter of Nicholas Christopher and Charity Thomas who were married at Zennor on 11 May 1767.
You are dead right. The Thomas and Christopher families of Zennor are very difficult to sort out as so many of their children were baptised with the same christian names.
All the best,
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 12, 2010 0:05:28 GMT -5
TJ - not sure how much this might help our little problem but it needs to be thrown into the mix.
When Thomas THOMAS married Elizabeth QUICK at Ludgvan in 1774 both were recorded specifically as being of that Parish.
Thomas was a husbandman and must have been resident of the Parish for some time and perhaps even born there.
One witness was Francis Jennings who witnessed quite a number of marriages and was possibly the Clerk. The other was John Baragwanath but there is nothing to indicate whether he might be related, be a friend or simply have been 'available' to witness the marriage.
Thomas also signed with his 'mark' which looks like a large lower-case 'm'.
Not much but it is something we did not have before.