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Post by georgec on Nov 22, 2007 15:36:27 GMT -5
Hi I am trying to find any info on Ann MARTINS daughter of James and Ann MARTINS. She was born around 1851 in St Ives and can be found in the 1861 census at Trowan. But no more info after that, any input would be great. Thank you George
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Post by trencrom on Nov 23, 2007 0:38:28 GMT -5
George, your first ports of call in this situation would be to check the 1851 census for St Ives if she is there: failing that, check the St Ives PRs for that year and the years to either side of it, and also check the indexes for civil registration for a birth certificate.
Bear iin mind though that the registration area for the certificate will come up as "Penzance" even though the place of birth is St Ives, so do not let that confuse you. You can order the certs online through the GRO (General register Office) website which is probably the cheapest way to purchase them.
If not in the PRs she could have been christened at a Methodist chapel so check those if she was not christened at the parish church. Also check the IGI at the "Familysearch" website as some christenings from tnat time frame may be found there.
Since you have found her in the 1861 census you know her parents so you will be able to confirm that anyone found through the above processes is in fact her.
Check also the "links" board on this site for any transcriptions of registers for St Ives, failing that
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Post by trencrom on Nov 23, 2007 0:44:19 GMT -5
For information on Ann in later years, check the 1881 census whch is available on fiche in many family history societies (may be also on-line but not sure of that) . Then work back to the 1871 for which you may need to order the film in through a local LDS fmaily history library if it is not available online.
If she is on neither, check death records for 1861 through to 1871, if not there then she must have either emigrated overseas or else moved to another part of the UK.
Finding her could then be difficult unless you have some idea where she may have gone. If close family emigrated then it might be worth checking to see if she followed them out --not all family members came out together and some may have gone to more than one overseas destination.
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Post by trencrom on Nov 23, 2007 0:45:55 GMT -5
Did she also marry? If she did, then perhpas you shou;ld search for probate records for her parents in case there is a will that names her under a married name.
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Post by londoner on Nov 23, 2007 4:50:52 GMT -5
Hi I am trying to find any info on Ann MARTINS daughter of James and Ann MARTINS. She was born around 1851 in St Ives and can be found in the 1861 census at Trowan. But no more info after that, any input would be great. Thank you George Hi george - Happy Birthday I can find Ann Martins daughter of William and Sarah at Trevalgan or Ann Quick daughter of James & Ann at Trowan - which are you after?
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Post by cornishmaid on Nov 23, 2007 7:46:00 GMT -5
Hi George, Hope you had a good birthday Well I certainly see what you mean. I can find no sign of her either. All I have found is as follows: Birth of an Ann Martin Penzance district Jan/Feb/March Quarter 1851, Volume IX, Page 221. This may be her. I don't think she was in the 1851 census (having been born too late), but I found her in the 1861 as you did, living at Trowan, Halsetown, St Ives, with parents James and Ann. Her name was spelt Anne. (Piece RG9/1589, ED 3, Folio 30, Page 8, Schedule 7, Civil Parish St Ives), In 1871 both mother Ann and daughter Anne are absent from the household at Trowan, and I can't find them anywhere. Haven't found them in 1881 yet, but in 1891 James and Ann Martin are still living at Trowan, and grandson age 15 Wiliam H Martin is with them on this occasion. James Martins age keeps varying, 1861 he was 57, 1871 he was 46, 1891 he was 64. . Ann Martins' age is 34 in 1861 and 62 in 1891. Will have another try at finding them on them on the 1881. I found one marriage, but haven't managed to confirm this is your girl as yet: Oct/Nov/Dec Quarter 1868, Ann Martin, Penzance District Volume 5c, page 469. Names on this page are: Ann Martin Jane Daniell Hosking John Stevens John Lavers This might be worth following up.
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Post by londoner on Nov 23, 2007 8:34:46 GMT -5
disregard my previous comment I was looking at 1851 not 61. As to the marriage mentioned by Cornishaid I suspect that this was Ann the daughter of William & Sarah of Trevalgan as in 1871 they have a son-in-law John Stevens.
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Post by londoner on Nov 23, 2007 9:06:31 GMT -5
Found them in 1851 - 2,Anjou Green,James Penberthy Martin,Head,M,27,,Tin Dresser,St Ives Cornwall,, ,,Ann Martin,Wife,M,,24,,St Ives Cornwall,, ,,Mary Jane Martin,Dau,,,1,,St Ives Cornwall,, ,,Anne Martin,Dau,,,1m,,St Ives Cornwall,,
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Post by londoner on Nov 23, 2007 9:26:23 GMT -5
And possibly 1871 at St Buryan: Anne Martin, St Ives age 20 servant, at home of Josiah & Elizabeth Pearce and family , Trevider St Buryan Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2346; Folio: 15; Page: 24; GSU roll: 835096.
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Post by londoner on Nov 23, 2007 10:00:09 GMT -5
another possible: Annie Martin m Matthew Mitchell Bryant 1873 1881 @ Vorvas Down: Matthew Bryant 28 Amy 29 Mary E, 6 Margaret 4 Amy 2 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2340; Folio: 80; Page: 18; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341562.
If Amy = Annie then we might have the right folk - nothing later so they may have gone overseas. However I am only offering this as a possibility as I know there are others with far more information about the St Ives families
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Post by cornishmaid on Nov 23, 2007 12:10:50 GMT -5
The Pearce connection might be worth looking at. There is an Anne Pearce Martins in the Cornwall Baptism Index in 1851. I can't look at the transcription because I've got no credit at the moment, but it's on Family History Online.
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Post by cornishmaid on Nov 23, 2007 12:16:57 GMT -5
Could you let us know who James Martins' and Ann's parents were please George? This might be useful in finding Anne Martin the younger
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Post by cornishmaid on Nov 23, 2007 12:24:36 GMT -5
There is also this possibility on the 1881:
Penpol Terrace, Phillack, Cornwall, England RG11 Piece / Folio 2337 / 11 Page Number 15 Thomas SANCTUARY Head M Male 39 Powerstock, Dorset, England General Practioner Univ Edinburgh Emilia M. SANCTUARY Wife M Female 29 (Brit Sub), France Loe.L. SANCTUARY Daur Female 1 Hayle, Cornwall, England Frances SCOINENOR Visitor U Female 19 Awingham, Lincoln, England Vicars Daur Ellen RICHARDS Serv U Female 22 Phillack, Cornwall, England Domestic Servant Lina WHITBREAD Serv U Female 28 Phillack, Cornwall, England Domestic Servant Ann MARTIEN Serv U Female 30 Towednack, Cornwall, England Domestic Servant
Right age, although birthplace is given as Towednack not St Ives.
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Post by georgec on Nov 23, 2007 13:58:15 GMT -5
Hi thanks for all the help. The Annie Martin who married Matthew Mitchell Bryant is the Ann Martins I am looking for. Her father was James Penberthy Martins (the Penberthy part was not used much) her mother was Ann Nicholas from Gulval m 1849. So it look like it is her in the 1851 cen at Anjou age 1m. But I still cant pin her down in 1871
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Post by cornishmaid on Nov 23, 2007 15:49:13 GMT -5
I think Jim Thompson (registered on this site) has direct links to this family. It may be worthwhile pm'ing him to see if he knows more
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