Post by hollybenemily on Aug 10, 2007 17:46:20 GMT -5
Have checked some more notes and found one about Capt Anthony Tregerthen owning a vessel called "The Union" which he traded between Llanelly and Bristol and also owned another called "Ann". Now I think this came from Pigots list but it is not confirmed. Now I'm confused, was this was Old ANthony (St Ives) or Young Anthony !! (Llanelly)
Post by hollybenemily on Aug 11, 2007 15:27:21 GMT -5
:)BREAKTHROUGH!!!! Was searching about Sarah Mitchell, kind man steered me onto Penwith Site, where he had seen Anthony Tregerthens name. Contacted it and "Ann" was doing her brother in laws tree, which is from Ellen a Sister to our John. (Both Grandchildren of ANthony from St Ives) Evidently the Grandparants of ANthony brn 1735 approx. were WILLIAM TREGERTHEN AND MARY ANTHONY. Ann wrote: (Believe Anthony to have been orphaned age three, no further record of his sisters Elizabeth and Rebecca . Anthony trained to be a doctor but did not appear to enjoy this and went to sea. infor Cornwall Fam. Hist) She then lists Ellen decendants which is just great.
This is something to go on, it appears he must have been left plenty of money to train as dr. and perhaps latter buy vessels ? Would like to prove this aspect before being sure I think.Will now look up Anthony and Mary see what comes up.
Post by hollybenemily on Aug 13, 2007 1:18:42 GMT -5
Put you wrong there the site was genesreunited where Ian put me onto Tregerthen Family. Have swapped information, but have yet to enquire how they are sure about William Tregerthen and Mary Anthony as I couldn't find them on IGI anywhere.
Post by hollybenemily on Aug 13, 2007 23:38:25 GMT -5
Hi, A Cousin just returned from Cornwall with a pamphet for me to look at. Went into www.familyhistoryonline.net and found all these things relating to my family. I was wondering if you have access to this place, if not I will pay to join as it looks very promising.
One entry shows :ANthony Tregerthen Cornwall Marriage Index 2 entries 1760 1773,
one entry shows : Anthony Tregerthen Burial Index Cornwall 1780, Could this be Anthony dying before his son Anthony was brn 1781.
One entry show:Grace Tregerthen Cornwall Burial Index 1762, This looks spot on for Childbirth death or soon after the birth of Elizabeth died 1762.
The best one yet: Jno Tregerthen: Names in Goverment Gazettes, Victoria c 1858-1900. 1 Entry Victoria 1861. This would be spot on for my missing G Grandfather who came to NZ. He entered on his Intention to Marry form that he was here 18months before marriage and he married in 1863. Always had the thought he was in Australia before coming here !.No other record of him since age of 7 in Wales.
Looking forward to your thoughts on all this, and if you have access to the site, but only when you have the time to spare. Just because I have plenty of spare time just now, what with it being winter months and not off to fishing yet.Regards Ara
Post by cornishmaid on Aug 14, 2007 4:29:55 GMT -5
This site is well worth joining. Searches are free, but you have to pay to view the results of the search. However, if none of the results look promising then you haven't lost anything. The charge to "pay as you view" is quite small. I am a member, but have used up all my credit at the moment. I just top it up when and if I need to.
Hope this helps.
I've got so many brick walls I could build a Mansion!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 14, 2007 9:06:01 GMT -5
Hello Again Unfortunately I do not have paid access to the site you mention.
Now - some thoughts.
The 1780 Burial of an Anthony Tregerthen is very interesting and may well be as you suggest.
What we need is to find the date of burial and see how it matches with the baptism of the younger Anthony.
And to 'perhaps' add some weight to this idea I just found something worth thinking about in Phillimore & Taylor Marriages for St Ives:-
William Purchase m. SARAH TREGERTHEN by licence 11th May 1784
Have searched through to the end of 1792 for any possible marriage at St Ives for Sarah.
It does not state she is a 'widow' but that 'may not' mean much.
The problem is that I have at least one more possibility for that marriage - Sarah d/o John and Sarah Tregerthen bp. 1760 at St Ives.
I also have three others but they were out on the Scillies so may be unlikely.
I agree with you about the Grace Tregerthen entry.
As for your John Tregerthen - a very high possibility as many people in those days went to New Zealand via Australia. I also just did a check of the 'Pioneer Index' of BDMs for Victoria through to 1887 and could find a reference there to only one William Herbert Tregarthen.
I will see if I can find any record of John Tregerthen arriving/departing Australia. You will certainly be notified if I am successful but it will depend on what records I am able to access once I find the site I want.
Post by cornishmaid on Aug 14, 2007 12:40:54 GMT -5
Have just checked the Family History Online site for you. Forgive me if any of the following is a duplication of what you already have, but am doing 10 things at once here and haven't had time to read all of the above
Baptisms: Anthony Tregerthen bapt 27 June 1781, Father: Anthony Tregerthen, Mother: Sarah, St Ives.
Anthony Tregerthen, bapt. 16 July 1826, Father: John Tregerthen, Mother: Margaret, Uny Lelant.
Elizabeth Tregerthen, bapt. 20 April 1762, Father: Anthony Tregerthen, Mother: Grace.
Marriages:Anthony Tregerthen and Grace Wallis, married 10 July 1760 in St Ives.
Anthony Tregerthen married Sarah Mitchell on 11 November 1773 at Phillack.
Burials: Grace Tregerthen, bur. 17 May 1762, St Ives. Elizabeth Tregerthen, bur. 17 June 1762, St Ives. Anthony Tregerthen, bur. 31 March 1780, St Ives.
Hope this is of some help . If you need anything specific from the site just ask.
I've got so many brick walls I could build a Mansion!
Post by hollybenemily on Aug 14, 2007 18:47:07 GMT -5
Yes to all listed but don't think the Uny Lelant one of ours. Some questions, please! The Burial of ANthony Tregerthen 1780 does it say his age, or Parents please. The Elizabeth Tregerthen (born 1775) does it show who married perhaps her in 1802? Mary Tregerthen Buried Index 1733-1752 was one of them married to William Tregerthen? Sarah Tregerthen nee Mitchell did she REMARRY 1784 or did she die as Sarah Tregerthen between 1780-1802 List? William that married Mary Anthony in 1679 is that his death in 1736 or next one? How do you suggest I follow up the Williamstown Victoria Australia link about John Please. Many Thanks Ara