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Post by cornishmaid on May 15, 2007 18:10:45 GMT -5
The Rowe side of my family is causing me problems.. any ideas anyone? Here is as far back as I have got (which isn't very ): William Row/Rowe b.1782 circa, married Mary Uren (nee Bennatts) on 18 February 1806 in St Ives. They had the following children, all baptised in St Ives: William Rowe baptised 3 December 1806, died January 1850 (Africa) Mary Bennatts Rowe, bapt. 16 April 1809 Henry Rowe, bapt. 11 January 1815, died November 1857 Grace Bennatts Rowe, bapt. 15 May 1818, died 1894 (Wales) Charles Rowe, bapt. 2 April 1820, died 13 October 1836. I can't get any further back than William Row/Rowe Senior. Baptisms St Ives of William Row's give the parents as: Richard and Mary, bapt date 3 November 1743 (too early?) Anthony and Margaret, bapt date 6 June 1791 (possible?) John and Prudence, bapt date 1 January 1738. (too early?) So, parents Anthony and Margaret seem the most likely, and I suppose William could have been 9 when he was baptised? Then I look at William Rowe and Mary Bennatt's children.. none are called Anthony or Margaret. Anthony and Margaret's other children were called John, Philip, Anthony and Margaret, none of which seem to be carried into William Row's family except his own name. Any ideas on how to establish whether Anthony and Margaret are indeed William Row's parents? William died between the 1841 and 1851 census, so I haven't a more accurate date of birth for him. Mary Rowe (nee Bennatts) was living with her daughter Grace Bennatts Rowe and Grace's husband Joseph Henry Treglohan Boase after she was widowed. Any pointers very gratefully received
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 16, 2007 10:47:59 GMT -5
Don't get tied down with the 'one' Parish would be the first bit of advice I could give here. And, for now, that is probably the only advice I will give until I have a closer look at the information. (Also my Chilli is nearly ready Please follow this thread but also send me a private note to remind me about this. Row/e is a little like Thomas and Richards in Cornwall and can be very difficult to track down. I do have Rowe, Thomas, Richards, Stevens, Stephens, Noal(l), Eddy etc. in my own lineage so I understand the problems. Solving these problems is the challenge.
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Post by cornishmaid on May 16, 2007 12:25:49 GMT -5
Ooo, I love chilli Yes, that was what I was thinking, that as the naming pattern wasn't right his parents may have been from another parish. Trouble is, when I start looking outside the areas of Towednack and St Ives I get a bit stuck The Rowes were everywhere weren't they. Doesn't help at all
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Post by cornishmaid on May 16, 2007 13:30:41 GMT -5
Have had a look at the Bennatts side of the equation and some names makes sense, ie: William Rowe was named after his father; Mary Bennatts Rowe was named after her mother; Henry Rowe??? Grace Bennatts Rowe was named after her grandmother; Charles Rowe??? Might these be clues?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 17, 2007 14:04:02 GMT -5
Hmmm! - I may need some further help here as far as clarification is concerned. I have found a couple of interesting things but not, as yet, enough to identify your William Rowe. But I am sure we will get there in the end. I have read, and re-read, your latest several times and have been doing some searching - here are some results. In your last posting you stated that Grace Bennatts Rowe was named after her grandmother. This would (probably) be the following:- Thomas Bennatts m. Grace OSBORNE at St Ives 11th June 1764. According to other sources Thomas was baptised at St Ives in 1742 as s/o Philip and Christian (Safeguard) Bennatts. My main problem here is that the list of children for Thomas and Grace exends from 1765 through 1796. This would make Thomas about 54 at the time of the last baptism which is no real problem. Grace would also have been at least 50 which is no 'real' drama given that the last child may have been baptised some years after his birth. So, if we work on this family as being the one you refer to we can make some progress. Daughter Mary was baptised at St Ives 2nd December 1781 (IGI) and, if other information is correct, would have been the 11th of 15 children to Thomas and Grace. Mary's first marriage is probably the following:- Thomas Uren, mariner, & Mary BENNETTS 7th Feb 1803 St Ives With Thomas having been a mariner it is not surprising that Mary was widowed early. Henry Rowe (s/o William and Mary) married Jane UREN (d/o John UREN, gardener) of St Ives 22nd January 1840 at St Ives. Grace Bennatts Rowe married Joseph Henry BOASE, sail maker, of St Ives, s/o John Boase, butcher, 24th November 1840 at St Ives. The 1841 Census for Fore St, St Ives has the following:- William Row, 55, Carpenter Mary Row, 55, Mary Row, 15, Joseph Boase, 20, sailor Grace Boase, 20 This is obviously the right family but there must be a query over 15 year old Mary. If this was the daughter of William and Mary she would have been about 30 in 1841. (Ages of adults were normally rounded down to the nearest five years ..... ) That is about the best I can do just for now.
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Post by cornishmaid on May 23, 2007 14:58:09 GMT -5
Many apologies, I thought I'd replied ages ago Oops. Yes, that's the right family. And Mary's age is certainly wrong. I'm not sure exactly what happened to Mary as yet... I have a few marriages of a Mary Rowe, but nothing to tie any of them in with my Rowe family at the moment. As William Row/Rowe didn't make it to the 1851 census we have a 4 year window for his year of birth. I know there are always exceptions to the rule, but I'm sure one of the children would have been called after a Rowe grandparent, which is why I was thinking that Anthony and Margaret were probably not his parents. Unless, of course, William Row had also been married before and had other children... What do you think me dears?
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Post by cornishmaid on Dec 2, 2007 15:29:47 GMT -5
Well, as I am no further forward (backward) with this one , and as it is my direct paternal line, I thought I would resurrect this thread and see if anyone has any further ideas Any ideas much appreciated.
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Post by trencrom on Dec 3, 2007 21:59:06 GMT -5
Cornishmaid, Having read through this thread I agree, it does not look like Anthony and Margaret are the parents of your William. If there is a will for either of them that should resolve the issue beyond all doubt. That is my first suggestion. Second, check and see if there is another marriage for a William Rowe that could be the William son of Anthony. If so, then check for children to the same and if the naming patterns reflect such a parentage. (That way you can rule out William son of Anthony as being your William.) Third, I think that in all such cases one has to consider the parishes adjacent to the one in question. I appreciate that "Rowe" is common, but since the names "Charles" and "Henry" evidently did not come from the Bennatts side of the family they may well have come from the earlier Rowe side. Look for Rowe families in Penwith generally that have a William born around the year that you are looking for, with either brothers named "Henry" and/or "Charles" or with a father with either name. Fourth, consider checking the original marriage entry for any Rowe relations as witnesses, or the death cert for William as to the identity of the informant in the off-chance (as does happen) that the informant is a sibling. Let us know how you go, Trencrom
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Post by cornishmaid on Dec 5, 2007 6:30:56 GMT -5
Thanks for those suggestions Trencrom, will follow those up as soon as possible. Cannot find a will for Anthony at present, so will start by finding all the William Rowes baptised at around the right time and take it from there.
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Post by davidkingmartin on Dec 6, 2007 14:20:48 GMT -5
Re: Rowes. I have some Rowes in my Cornish lineage (also listed as Rawe). William Rowe born 1819 (or 1811?) Madron Altarnun, still alive 1901 aged 82 living with daughter Levinia (Martin) at 46 Castle Gate, nr Ludgvan. Levinia b.1854. Brother William b.1849 (see 1861 Census). Levinia m John Martin b1848, farmed Hellengove (Gulval/Trezelah area.). William R. had wife Mary Ann Crowell(? not sure), b.St Chafer. Trying to track his father.
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Post by trencrom on Dec 7, 2007 4:01:55 GMT -5
Hi David, First find the marriage of this William, and the marriage certificate will then tell you the name of his father. Trencrom
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 9, 2007 12:52:23 GMT -5
Once again Team this is merely a note to acknowledge I have read of the dilemma. Another one I will try and tackle as soon as possible. Best try and finish my 'review' of what I have missed so I can get some sleep then move some more furniture and then find all my family history notes and then ....... Will get to this as soon as I can but will keep checking on updates.
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Post by cornishmaid on Dec 10, 2007 16:40:48 GMT -5
Having scoured the land for a suitable baptism for William Rowe between 1781 and 1786, I turned my attention back to William son of Anthony and Margaret Rowe baptised at St Ives in 1791. No luck in finding a marriage or a death for this William Rowe, so had another look at the other children of Anthony and Margaret. We have: Anthony bapt. 22 July 1770 Margaret bapt. 22 December 1771 John bapt. 14 August 1774 Philip bapt. 13 June 1777 Thomas bapt. 5 January 1781 And then 10 years later.... William bapt. 6 June 1791 So, was he actually born between 1781 and 1786 and not baptised till later? The chronology of the above baptisms would suggest this Then we come to the names of his siblings (if this is the correct one). No Henry or Charles... were these names further back in time, ie his grandparents, etc. I am assuming that the Anthony Rowe above is the same one that married Margaret Freeman, widow, on 2 January 1770; and that Margaret was originally the Margaret Noall that married Daniel Freeman, Carpenter, on 10 October 1766, but I have yet to verify this. I haven't found Anthony Rowe's parents as yet. There was a Capt. Henry Rowe who was a widower and married Grace Hingston by licence in 1785. He was the son of Nicholas Rowe and Jone, and he died in 1816 at the age of 80 (apparently). If Anthony and Henry were brothers (lots of if's here I know) then that might explain where the "Henry Rowe" came in in William's family, but I have still no idea where the "Charles" came from! Lots to sort out on this one eh.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 11, 2007 11:40:25 GMT -5
The late baptism is a possibility although it would seem unusual in this family given the earlier children. It may also be possible that there were other children prior to William who were baptised in another Parish. Yet another possibility is that Margaret died and Anthony re-married to yet 'another Margaret' and that William was a son of this later marriage. I have seen this problem before but it, in this case, is merely supposition and suggesting possibilities. Right - I am doing a search of IGI for a William Rowe baptised 1783 +/- 5 which should cover 1778-1788 to see what I can find:- William Rowe bp. 31 Dec 1780 Morvah s/o William Rowe Seems to be the only one in the right place but should have been listed as age 60 if it were he in the 1841 Census at St Ives. And I have this last bloke married to Lydia Chirgwin at Madron in 1807 - so that takes him out of the equation. Given that IGI does not have full coverage of baptisms it may mean checking the original (or transcripts of) PR's for St Ives and surrounding areas to see if we can find him. All I can do for now. Ian
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Post by cornishmaid on Nov 5, 2008 8:31:48 GMT -5
Just a small update on this thread. Thanks to Mike, I now have William Rowe's Death Certificate. ;D He did indeed die on 25 May 1842 at St Ives, aged 57. He was, therefore, born c. 1785. I have a list of baptisms from the CFHS Index so will go through them properly later. However, none of them have either Henry or Charles as a father, and none of the St Ives baptisms seem to fit at all but at least I've narrowed down his birth now which is a start
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