Richard Morrish bur. 1705 Jane d/o Richard Morrish bur. 1709
Looks very logical now that the man who married Maragert Hicks was probably the father of all the children in the post above, whereas the Richard Morrish bur. in 1705 was indeed the widower who married Margaret Gribby.
Philip Bennetts, of St. Earth, & Margaret Morrish, w. 07 Jan 1709
Ah! It says he was of St. Erth, so we can at least establish now that John's son was alive and well in 1709. I think it is looking very convincing for him being the man who later marreid Christian Safeguard!
I am Melanie Bennetts and I believe much of my family comes from St Ives/Lelant/Ludgvan. The earliest ones I can find for sure are Robert Bennatts (blacksmith) m Loveday Chilew of Ludghvan 1789. I can't find Robert's parents though there are several contenders. The most common male names in the family are Robert, George, John and James and the girls are Elizabeth, Mary and Amelia.
Has anyone made any progress with these Bennetts/ Bennatts families?
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 3, 2012 4:28:36 GMT -5
Hi Melanie - another interesting puzzle is this one!
I have been looking at this for several hours now and have added the family of Robert and Loveday to my database so that I can try to build a picture that might lead me to the identity of parents of Robert Bennatts. I reached a point where I thought the answer was very close but then a big pear appeared around the whole scenario!
Part of that was my own fault and a failing in my maths because I determined an approximate birthdate of 1774 rather than 1764!
There is one baptism at St Ives that 'appears' to be that of the husband of Loveday. She was buried at St Ives 17th September 1849 at the age of 85 and from there I have determined she was probably baptised at Ludgvan in 1767 daughter of John Chilew junr.
Robert Bennatts age 65 was buried 12th March 1830 at St Ives which puts his birth around 1764 - a very nice match indeed!
But the only two baptisms for a Robert Bennatts (sic.) in Cornwall that are even close to that are:-
son of James 6th May 1759 Ludgvan son of Thomas and Jane 2nd April 1774 St Ives
The first is five years too early and the second 10 years too late!
Apart from naming his last son James and one of his daughters Jennifer there is nothing in the family of Robert and Loveday to suggest that either of the above would be correct anyway. I think the wife of James was Joan and neither Joan nor Thomas appear amongst Robert's children.
I am sure now that I need to look for alternatives - but just what alternatives?
It seems to me that I need to look at a couple who, like Robert and Loveday, were married at Lelant but baptised all their children at St Ives. Such as:-
George Bennatts married Elizabeth Bennatts by Banns 6th February 1720 at Lelant
I realise that this marriage is 68 years prior to that of Robert but I think this is where the answer will lie. Amongst their children was an Amy (significant) and there was a Robert in 1740 and another Robert in 1742. This is interesting because of the following burial:-
Robt Bennatts of St Ives age 85 buried 26th October 1823 at St Ives
A slight discrepancy in his age but then that is not really unusual and he would have been a good deal older than Loveday which is not the norm but again is not totally unusual.
Certainly the younger Robert would seem the more likely husband for Loveday but we need to keep this older fellow in mind. And we need to find a baptism for the younger man or at least find a logical family for him to fit into.
One way or another I believe it will probably link back to George and Elizabeth.
BTW - Robert Bennatts (husband of Loveday) was a 'smith'. Coincidentally when Robert son of George and Elizabeth Bennatts was baptised at St Ives in February 1740 George was also recorded as a 'smith'.
Wow, you have done a lot, you seem to have got to the same stumbling point that I have. I think that the Robert must have been older and perhaps this was also not uncommon amongst smiths? According to the census, I think, his son James was also a smith. Loveday was from Ludgvan and I think Robert may have been from Lelant and moved to St Ives for work. His children moved about a bit - some stayed in St Ives, but James went to Lelant and George to St Hilary. I can't be sure off hand but I think another went to Ludgvan. I think there was a James Bennetts (Ludgvan) who married Catherine Rosewall in 1765 St Ives with a child Elizabeth in 1768 and I also found and largely dismissed the stray James having a son Robert in 1759 which is too early. Have you found any other children for James and Catherine or James and Elizabeth m 1724 Lelant?
George and Robert seem to go together a lot. My George and Avis in St Hilary had a Mary Ann 1826, Robert 1829, then Richard Bray and John. BTW Mary Ann married her cousin Robert Bennetts Stevens, 1st son of Robert Stevens and Amelia Bennetts (dau of Robert and Loveday) They had Robert, James,John Matthew Amelia and Loveday was living with them for the 1841 census.
Robert 1740 might be a cousin or even the father of Robert 1764 and Lelant fits. I also like the smith connection! Do you think that this line ties in with the Gulval group (Bennetts/Kerrow) that Zenobia has researched?
thank you for all your effirts, they are very encouraging I also think the way points to George and Elizabeth.
Oh by the way I have recently acquired a complaint to chancery about land. I am having enormous trouble reading it, but the Orator/complainant is George Bennetts husband of Ekizabeth and is in regard to land belong to the late Amy and robert Bennetts and mentions the late Richard and also James and John. C 11/100/11.
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 4, 2012 5:57:36 GMT -5
Hi Melanie - that all fits.
George Bennatts was baptised at Lelant 22nd September 1700 son of Thomas Bennatts and Elizabeth (nee Painter). Thomas Bennetts was also a blacksmith.
George married Elizabeth Bennatts at Lelant 6th February 1720
Elizabeth was baptised at St Ives 22nd November 1701 daughter of Robert Bennatts and Amy Quick. Amy was the widow of Richard Quick and was the daughter of Richard Nicholas alias Nance and his first wife Phillipa.
So the document relates to George Bennatts' in-laws with Richard, James and John being brothers of Elizabeth.
Yes, that's right. The document also mentions Amy'sson Robert, brother Richard Nance and her daughter Phillis and her husbands, I think Edward Quick. There is a dispute over the possession and benefits of the land left to the youngest sons with james as trustee, I think. It dates 1733 and Richard and James I think, are both deceased, leaving only John to answer to the complaint. The lands are in St Ives, Towednack, Treloyhan et al. I am still stumbling through it.
My Robert was certainly a blacksmith, though his sons were miners. There is a Robert, miner, who married a Frances who I think was my Robert's son and he was around for the censuses, so this one might be a cousin or a stranger. It would be worth my while to get a copy and see if I can find that out. I shall keep on. Thank you for all your input. Melanie.
Post by Cornish Terrier on May 4, 2012 23:27:33 GMT -5
Melanie - don't get too carried away with the name 'Jennifer'!
Jennifer and Jane are largely interchangeable so if you see Jenifer in one document she might be Jane in the next. You will find Jane/Jenifer in probably most families so trying to use it to find links is really saying there might be links because John, Mary, William or Elizabeth were involved.
Hi CT, sorry I have been so long; work commitments. Anyway, I got a copy of that administration note for Robert Bennett, miner. Unfortunately it doesn't give his age or widow, but it does give the names of his two sons: Robert and Stephen. I don't have a Stephen in my group as yet, and of course my Robert was a 'smith' so this isn't him. Maybe it was the Robert who married Mary Freggins in 1797? He had a Stephen, but I can't find a Robert.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 2, 2012 9:59:00 GMT -5
Melanie - my reply is also delayed!
But I have done some more work on the Bennetts/Bennatts families of St Ives in an effort to try and solve this little mystery. No great success yet but I have sorted out a few collateral problems that might help later.
What I have found is that there might be more information missing from St Ives registers than I had thought. A son Robert is mentioned in this Admon. yet I don't have a baptism for a child of that name to this particular Robert Bennetts.
I will try and work through the families over the next several days and will let you know should I find anything useful.