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Post by cornishmaid on Nov 12, 2007 5:45:31 GMT -5
I have been trying to transcribe a Will for my Honoria Parminter, nee Salmon. She lived in Ilfracombe, Devon, and married George Parminter there in 1780. There are links with the Parminter family in Cornwall, as shown by her Will. The Will was proved 21 August 1813. I am listing the beneficiaries living in Cornwall under Phillack, although some were living in other locations. I haven't as yet connected the Parminter Honora/Honoria married with those in Cornwall, but those listed in her will are as follows: Mary, now wife of Robert Richards of Penzance in the County of Cornwall, Gentleman; Sarah Curnow, the wife of William Cardell of the parish of Saint "Earth??" in the said County of Cornwall; Elizabeth Cardell, daughter of William and Sarah; Susanna Parminter of the parish of Phillack in the said county of Cornwall, spinster; Letitia Parminter of the parish of Phillack, Spinster; Susanna Elizabeth Rogers and ? Rogers, daughters of John and Frances Rogers of Phillack. I haven't really looked into the Parminter family, but this is what I have so far. It appears that both Letitia and Susanna Parminter were born in Phillack to Thomas Parminter and Hester Curnow. The following is what I am surmising at the moment, so please do not take the following as gospel, it is merely supposition as yet. Hester Curnow it would seem was married previously to a John Hockin on 31 July 1762 in Phillack. There is a burial record for a John Hockin Jnr who died on 5 April 1763 and was buried 7 April 1763. Hester later re-married: Phillack, 31 January 1767 - Thomas Parminter of Ilfracombe, and Hester Hockin, by licence. Thomas Parminter and Hester had 6 children that I can find: Hannibal Curnow Parminter, Mary Parminter, George Parminter, Susanna Parminter, Letitia Parminter, George Parminter (No. 2). Susanna Parminter married William Vivian on 29 April 1813, to whom I have found one child so far, baptised in Phillack: Susan Mary Sarah Letitia Parminter Vivian, daughter of William and Susannah, baptised 3 July 1818, Bodriggy, Agent. (There's a name and a half!  ) Letitia Parminter married Thomas Pope Rosevear on 9 December 1816. This thread is mainly for information about the Will, but if anyone could see a link between the George Parminter who married Honoria Salmon in Ilfracombe in 1780, and the Thomas Parminter who married Hester Curnow in 1767, I would be most grateful.  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 12, 2007 12:06:17 GMT -5
These things are sent to try me.   The term 'now wife', particularly in the context of this Will, indicates to me that Mary had been previously married. I believe the seventh to be Sarah Curnow Parminter who married William Cardell at Phillack 17th January 1788, although I do not have a baptism for her. How about we try Susan Mary Sarah AND Letitia Parminter VIVIAN who were baptised on the same day - 3rd July 1818. I will try and work more on this as soon as I get the chance but I do really wish Bill Curnow would join this Board as I am sure he would be able to add much more.  All I can do for now as 'tucker is on' and I am going to watch a movie before 'hitting the sack'. ;D |
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Post by cornishmaid on Nov 12, 2007 19:41:22 GMT -5
Hope it was a good film I found a Sarah Curnow marrying a William Cardell on IGI, but no "Parminter" on the end of it. This was on 17 January 1788 at Phillack. Someone may have omitted it, because I found a Sarah Curnow Parminter baptised 11 October 1769, Ilfracombe, Devon, daughter of Thomas Parminter and Esther. Ah, found the marriage on Phillimores - William Cardell and Sarah Curnow Parminter, by licence on 17 Jan 1788. I then found a Thomas Parminter Cardell, son of William and Sarah, baptised on 29 November 1788. For Mary, now wife of Robert Richards, the marriage lists her as Mary Parminter marrying Robert Richards, of Madron, at Phillack on 6 September 1809 by licence. It appears that at least 3 of the children of Thomas and Hesther/Esther Parminter died early: Hannibal Curnow Parminter, bur. 5 February 1768 George Parminter, bur. 28 July 1771 George Parminter, bur. 14 July 1777 As for Susanna Parminter who married William Vivian, it would seem that they did only have the one daughter with the long name. There is a burial transcription listed for Susan Mary Sh La Pr Vivian, aged 25, Bodriggy, buried 3 November 1841 at Phillack. Susanna and William married quite late in life, and she was about 41 years old when she had Susan. This might explain why the long name, if they thought they might just have the one child  . There is quite a bit about the Vivian family of Bodriggy online. I also found the following, which again connects the families outlined in my original post: "Hockin (William) & others THE MEMORIAL OF WILLIAM HOCKIN Robert Richards, William Cardell, William Vivian and Thomas Pope Rosevear. 2pp., folio, lithographed in cursive. Hockin and the others were Lords of part of the Manor of Lelant and the Bodriggy Estate. They complained that the proposed railway would reinforce the monopoly of the Cornish Copper Company: 'trains of waggons and other Carriages passing and repassing the said Bridge (belonging to the Cornish Copper Company).... would prevent the public from sailing up the said Channel or Canal and from landing their Merchandize on the Wastrell of the said estate of Bodriggy'. A plan is referred to which is not present. Some manuscript notes at bottom of page 2, address panel on verso with broken wax seal, sent to Rev. Wm. Hockin at Phillack, with a letter on blank page to 'my dear father' about the engrossing and printing of the memorial. 1834." No further progress about how George and Thomas Parminter are related. Brothers perhaps? Some strong blood tie I suppose if George Parminter's wife bequeathed Thomas's family some of her goods and estates. Night night |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 13, 2007 9:38:08 GMT -5
Well 'burn me and butter me on both sides'! Just goes to prove what I have always said - 'I can be wrong sometimes'. Thankyou for the notes regarding Miss Susan (long-winded name) Parminter and I have now re-checked the Phillack information and will correct my database forthwith. (Done!) Also realised I had the marriage of Mary Parminter and Robert Richards in my database already. My thoughts now are that the Will of Honoria Parminter may have been a second Will which would be another reason for the reference to Mary as 'now wife of Robert Richards'. If it was, as seems likely, a second Will then it was obviously written sometime after Mary married Robert Richards. BUT - it was also written before April of 1813 when Susanna Parminter (named as spinster in this Will) married William Vivian. Could you please supply the date of writing of this Will.  Another factor regarding the dates - 'Elizabeth Cardell, daughter of William and Sarah' was buried at Phillack 7th March 1813 so the Will must have been written before this. As for John and Frances Rogers - they were baptising children at Phillack from 1783 but Susanna Elizabeth is not amongst them. I can also not find the marriage of John and Frances at Phillack so we need to look elsewhere for that and, probably, for some baptisms. THE LINK - I am suspecting that Thomas and George PARMINTER were very possibly brothers and would suggest a continuation of the search in Ilfracombe may be useful. THE MOVIE - I watched 'Stagecoach' with John Wayne and Claire Trevor. They enjoyed the film as much as I did but could not work out why the two main characters looked so much like them. ;D |
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Post by cornishmaid on Nov 13, 2007 19:26:16 GMT -5
;D The Will... I can find no date on the first section of the Will where the people of Cornwall are named as beneficiaries. However, there are a couple of other parts of the will that I haven't transcribed as yet, which look like "add-ons" after the original. One of additional parts has a date of 24 October 1804, so the original must have been before this date. The final part of the Will says: "Proved at London with a codicil 21 August 1813 before the Judge by the oath of ? Harris ?, Widow, the sole Executrix to whom ? was granted being sworn ? to ?". Just as well the date is legible eh ;D. It looks to me as though the Will was written and added to as people were born, were married, or died. As soon as I've transcribed the rest I'll add to this thread any updates on the above people. I cannot find the marriage of John and Frances as yet, which is slightly bugging me. As to George and Thomas Parminter, I have found on IGI the following marriage and subsequent baptisms. Your views would be much appreciated George Parminter married Susanna Smith on 5 January 1738 in Ilfracombe, Devon. Baptised to a George and Susan Parminter in Ilfracombe are: Thomas 1739; George 1743; Mary 1744; Susanna 1746; Francis 1748; John 1754; Jane 1755; Jane 1757; Philip 1759. I suppose it too much to ask to find burials of George and Thomas Parminter, let alone finding their ages at death. |
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Post by cornishmaid on Nov 13, 2007 19:53:53 GMT -5
Another snippet, just to confirm that Susan (long name) Parminter was just one person, I found this obituary from the West Briton: 5 November 1841 Vivian - At Bodriggy, near Hayle, on Thursday last, Miss Parminter Vivian, aged 25 years, only daughter of Mr Wm. Vivian, a young lady whose amiable disposition had endeared her to all who had the pleasure of her acquaintance. Bless her  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 14, 2007 9:26:50 GMT -5
Cornishmaid, m'darlin - we seem to be making some progress which is, obviously, good. The information on the Parminter family of Ilfracombe looks very promising and seems to match with my comments of yesterday. Lots of work to be done but I am thinking we may be on the right track. Cannot do more on this tonight (or probably for several days) but keep at it and keep me informed. I will, as usual, do my best to assist as soon as I can. The final rush is on for the 'big move'. |
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. There is quite a bit about the Vivian family of Bodriggy online.
