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Post by marktrengove on May 31, 2007 15:38:34 GMT -5
In the Cornish Resources section of the board I have posted a transcription of the 1559 Subsidy of Elizabeth I for selected Cornish parishes.
As far as Trengoves are concerned, this makes interesting reading for who isn't there rather than who is!
As to be expected, Henry Trengove de Nanse makes another appearance in the records, but he is the only 'Trengove'.
However, ten years later, in the Muster Roll of 1569, a Thomas Trengove is recorded at Perranarworthal, a Richard Trengo at Gwennap and a John Trengoffe at Illogan.
All thoughts and observations on why there are Trengoves in these parishes in 1569, but none ten years earlier gratefully received!
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Post by Zenobia on May 31, 2007 21:05:19 GMT -5
Hi Mark, To appear on the subsidies list you were supposed to have goods (or land) worth at least a couple of pounds I think. The Muster Roll, on the other hand, listed all men of military age. I suspect that whoever your Thomas, Richard and John were, they did not have sufficient resources to be taxed in 1559. Of course I am sure all men tried to avoid the tax whenever possible too!  |
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Post by marktrengove on Jun 1, 2007 16:59:09 GMT -5
Hi, Zenobia,
I'm not convinced by your explanation for the lack of Trengoves in 1559.
If the paupers aren't recorded, why are all the aliens with no property at all?
I'd like to believe you, as it's further evidence, if true, that John, son of Richard, of Trengove, was not the son of Ralph Nance. If a John Trengoffe had inherited Trengove Farm, he would have featured in the Subsidy (if an adult). If he was merely a retainer or servant of the Nances at Trengove Farm, that would explain him not featuring in the Subsidy of 1559.
Are you implying that the fairer sex don't try to avoid taxes too!?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 2, 2007 11:38:56 GMT -5
Mark - I am going to just keep a watch on this thread for a little while.
I have little to offer right now - but watching what discussion goes on might just help me a little when I locate what information I have, or can get, involving my own family.
Not exactly sure what I have in the line of Subsidies at the moment but I should think I would need to be looking at areas like St Hilary for a start given that is where Trewhella Farm is located. (This is the farm from which my own name is believed to have come.)
St Erth is another possibility but I believe the earliest reference I have to the family in that Parish is, at the moment, the 1570's.
Zennor and Towednack appear to come later but Wendron, Helston and Cury 'may' figure in events that early.
The Trewolla family is a different matter and so is the family of Trewhela of St Enoder.
Will keep watching and let you know if I find anything.
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Post by Zenobia on Jun 3, 2007 16:11:40 GMT -5
Mark, Sorry I did not explain that better. I believe that the aliens had to be listed, even if they owned 'nil' (which they all seemed to!  ) because the crown wanted to keep tabs on them - heh heh. I say that because obviously there are a lot of persons per parish who are not recorded, apparently because they did not own enough - Gwithian and Lelant being the perfect examples, where there are only three men listed for each parish. It is very likely however, that your odd Trengoves who show up in the registers were indeed just taking the surname from the land they were leasing or working on. I do believe that to be true of John of Illogan, since he is "John Richards of Trengove" at his death. Richard and Thomas at this point still fall under the heading of 'insufficient evidence'. Either could have been very young men, who died unmarried and never appear later, or maybe older men (I think 65 was the cut off date for the muster, but Ian may have more info on that) who died not long after. Or, like John, they may have been leasing Trengove properties and used the name occasionally... I have never seen the Gwennap or Perranarworthal registers, so am not familiar enough with how complete they are, but the parish map I have shows Gwennap registers not beginning until 1658... sadly pretty late...  |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jun 4, 2007 10:06:48 GMT -5
The following section of the OPC should show you what is available for Gwennap. Most, as mentioned, appear to start around 1658 but there is Boyd's Marriage Index 1610-1812 and BT's 1610-1670 mentioned as being holdings of the Cornwall Record Office. www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/Gwennap/index.html#ChurchRecordsFor Perranarworthal:- www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/Perranarworthal/index.html#ChurchRecordsFrom either of these two you should be able to navigate your way around the site to whatever you need. As for the Muster Roll - here is a copy of what I found in the Sennen site for 1569:- 1569 Sennen Muster Roll --------------------------------------- Hereafter followith the names of these men within the parish of Sennen within the hundred of Penwith that are within the age of sixty score and above the age of 16 years in the 11th year of the reign of Queen Elizabeth. Touching the acts and statutes for the breed of horses and mares we have none such within the compass of our parish. Touching the acts and statutes for ground or parke enclosed, we have none we have none such within the compass of our parish. Touching the rateing of any man in our parish we have none according to the acts and statutes. Touching the transporting or conveyance of any horse mare or gelding into Scotland or beyond the seas we know of none. Touching the armour and weapons for the better service of the prince we have within our parish of Sennen the following: Hope that is of some help. |
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Post by marktrengove on Jun 4, 2007 14:29:13 GMT -5
Hmmm, I'm not convinced by Zenobia's explanation for the lack of Trengoves in Gwennap, Perranarworthal and Illogan in 1550 - that they were a load of paupers!
As they appear in the 1569 Muster Roll, sporting pikes and bills, I surmise that they were from the ranks of yeomanry, and therefore men of some substance.
Either they all came of age between 1559 and 1569, or they appeared in these parishes between these years, or perhaps they had been called up by GQB (Good Queen Bess). She was only into the first year of her reign, after all! Was there an emergency at that time that might account for them being elsewhere?
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) because the crown wanted to keep tabs on them - heh heh. I say that because obviously there are a lot of persons per parish who are not recorded, apparently because they did not own enough - Gwithian and Lelant being the perfect examples, where there are only three men listed for each parish.