my ancestor Abraham Perkin (Parkyn, Parkin etc!) was born in St Erth in about 1824. His father was Joshua. That's about all I know of them until the 1851 census when Abraham turns up married to Ellen in Camborne.
I would love to hear from anyone who as Abraham & Joshua in their families.
Tragically replyting to my own post: from Mark T's wonderful St Erth link freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~sterth/ I see no evidence for Parkyn/Perkin in St Erth. Possibly back to the drawing board for me... It was actually written as "St Earel" in the 1861 Census, and I assumed this was "St Erth"...
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Post by cornishmaid on Apr 10, 2008 19:22:14 GMT -5
I would concur with Lannanta that St Eval would seem the logical place. I can't find any "proof" as yet despite some searching, however it would seem logical since St Eval and Newlyn East (not to be confused with Newlyn down Penzance way ) are in quite close proximity to each other I believe.
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There is a marriage for an Abraham Parkyn in June quarter of 1853 in the St Columb district which would suit the ages of the two younger children (Jane and William aged 7 & 5 years) living with him in the 1861 census. I would suggest that the older John, aged 15 years, was perhaps the son of Ellen and a first husband as Abraham would have only been 12 when John was born. The gap in the children's ages would also make sense then?
Also having trouble finding Abraham & Joshua (although Jacob & Isaac appear in 1851 & 61) so St Eval/Ervan must be the right area.
More Luck with Eleanor: 1841 census has grandparents William (67) & Lystra (64) Father William(40) mother Ann (40) sisters Elizabeth 11, Lystra 9, Fanny 6, Jane 2. All at "Two Pots" St Newlyn East 1851 has William senior b @ Cubert
IGI for Cubert has three children baptised to William & Lystra: Eleanor 1799, Betsey Glanvel 1802 & anon female 1808.
William M Lystra Granvil 1796 William jnr m Ann Rowe 1822
Lystra was bp Newlyn East 16 Feb 1777 to Thomas Glanvell & Elizabeth Thomas Glanvill (1838) m Elizabeth Free in 1835 (rootsweb) or Elizabeth Manuel 21 Aug 1777 (IGI) Thomas was probably son of Henry & Margery(rootsweb family tree)
So definitely not Penwith people although no doubt there would be a link if we had enough records.
Post by qbutterbee on Sept 16, 2011 3:23:25 GMT -5
Hi I have Abraham Parkin in my family tree with his father as Joshua. Abraham married Eleanor Glasson and their daughter Jane Ann married Richard Smith and came to South Australia. I am descended from Richard and Jane's son Joshua Leslie who married Blanche Drusilla Moon and they had my paternal grandmother Mona. Love to get in touch with anyone who have these families in their tree. Cheers Deb
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 18, 2012 11:24:35 GMT -5
Well all - I do believe the case may be cracked! ;D
It took a lot of doing and a significant amount of frustration trying to search the Census but I have finally found the answers. Although I am still struggling with the reasons for some of the things that happened.
The reason none of us could find Abraham PARKYN/PARKIN/PERKIN prior to the 1861 Census is because that was NOT HIS NAME at all!
With all else having failed I decided to search FamilySearch for anyone named Abraham born between about 1820 and 1840 with a father named Joshua.
Abraham son of Joshua and nancy ARTHUR of Down Hill baptised 18th February 1833 at St Eval
Joshua Arthur married Nancy Hicks at St Eval 8th April 1805
There were eight children from this marriage with Abraham being the youngest. All were born/baptised at St Eval as follows:-
Samuel bp. 3rd April 1810 Isaac bp. 28th June 1812 John bp. 20th October 1814 Priscilla bp. 6th May 1817 Joshua bp. 18th March 1821 Dorothy bp. 31st August 1823 Jacob bp. 5th February 1826 Abraham bp. 18th February 1833
In 1851 John, age 37 born St Eval, was at Camborne with two daughters, Priscilla 14 and Mary J 12. His wife was not present but he was stated as being married. Also in the household was Joshua Arthur, lodger age 32. Joshua stated he was born at Camborne so I don't know what connection there may have been. John's brother Joshua was born at St Eval and would have been only 30.
In 1851 Samuel and wife Mary Ann were at St Ervan.
Returning to 1841:- Joshua and Nancy had children Dorothy, Jacob and Abraham at home at Downhill, St Eval
By 1851 Joshua was widowed (Nancy was buried at St Eval 21st October 1847 age 62). He was still living at Downhill but Priscilla was now home with Dorothy and there were two Arthur grandchildren in the household.
And from here we get into the area where reasons seem to be lacking!
I should point out that it was not until the 1830s I think that I found the name Parkin (var.) in the St Eval baptism registers.
In 1841 son Joshua was working as an agricultural labourer over at St Ervan but he was then known as Joshua PARKYN, age 20.
In 1851 I finally found Abraham at Trewoolla, Crantock, employed as a farm servant. He was indexed as ABLOM ARTHUR!
We know that Abraham PARKYN married Eleanor Glasson at East Newlyn in 1853 and I now know that Parkyn was not his birthname. And then in 1841 we have what is apparently brother Joshua also recorded as PARKYN.
24th December 1838 St Eval by Banns Isaac PARKYN, of full age, bachelor, labourer of St Eval, son of Joshua Parkyn, labourer married Ann WILLIAMS, of full age, spinster of St Eval, daughter of John Williams, labourer
In 1851 at St Agnes we find Isaac Parkyn age 37, born St Eval, farm labourer. With him is wife Ann, age 44, born St Allen, and children Mary Jane 11, Ann Maria 9, Christianna 7 (all born St Eval) and Joshua 6 born Newlyn.
So WHY did three sons of Joshua and Nancy Arthur change there name to PARKYN?
WHY DID THREE SONS OF JOSHUA AND NANCY ARTHUR CHANGE THEIR NAME TO PARKYN?
What comes to mind is that this was a family name of either Joshua or Nancy. Joshua according to the 1851 and 1861 censuses was born at Roche and an OPC baptism record can be found for him - JOSUA Arthur bapt. Roche 11 June 1787 s/o Samuel and Prudence Arthur. From the OPC we learn that Samuel Arthur married Prudence Growden at Roche on 29 Apr 1775, so Parkin was not Joshua's mother's maiden name. Because Nancy was buried in 1847 we cannot learn from any census where in Cornwall she was born. However, it may well have been in the St. Eval/St. Ervan area where Joshua must have gone to work as an agricultural labourer.
Now for Nancy. Brief OPC checks have turned up just one Nancy Hicks who was baptised on 4 March 1792 at St. Ervan (born 26 Jan) d/o James and Mary. But there is also an infant burial record for this Nancy Hicks at St. Ervan on 8 April 1792 - so this definitely is not our Nancy. Then one has to consider girls called Ann Hicks born in that area. There was an Ann Hicks baptised 3 Dec 1783 at St. Issey, but there is also a marriage record for her marrying Robert Clemow at St. Issey on 19 Dec 1804. In the right time frame we have a baptism record for Ann Hicks baptised at St. Ervan on 15 Oct 1786 (born 23 Sep) d/o Richard and Elizabeth Hicks and also at neighbouring St. Columb Major an Ann Hicks baptised on 30 Mar 1787 d/o William and Ann Hicks. On the OPC I can find no marriages in the first two decades of the 1800s in the St. Ervan/St. Columb Major area which could be either of these two. Of course, they could have gone farther afield to work and married, but one of these two women called Ann Hicks may have been the Nancy Hicks who married Joshua Arthur.
Then the thought crossed my mind that maybe Nancy Hicks could have originally been called Nancy Parkin, but I have no idea as to why she may have changed her name. There is an OPC baptism record at St. Columb Major (borders on St. Ervan) on 5 Oct 1788 for Ann Parkin d/o John and Ann Parkin. I can find no relevant OPC burial record for an Ann Parkin in that part of Cornwall nor can I find a suitable marriage record apart from Ann Parkin of St. Stephen in Brannel (near St. Austell) who married John Eastman at St. Stephen in Brannel on 9/10 Feb 1816 - although St. Columb Major is not very many miles away from there.
However, it remains a thought - and it is certainly a long shot - could Nancy who married Joshua Arthur possibly have been Ann Parkin and later in life could three of their sons for whatever reason have taken their mother's maiden name?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 18, 2012 18:09:07 GMT -5
could Nancy who married Joshua Arthur possibly have been Ann Parkin
Unfortunately it would appear the answer is not going to be as simple as that.
Ann daughter of William Hicks, a pauper, and Dorothy baptised 6th July 1788 St Eval
William Hicks of St Eval married Dorothy Rowncevel by Licence 14th November 1773 at Colan
They had eight children all baptised at St Eval with son John (1775) possibly being one of the witnesses at the marriage of Nancy to Joshua Arthur.
I had already considered the possibility of Parkyn being a possible maternal name. But as it had already taken me several hours (and a good deal of cursing) to find the information I had I was just too worn out to add the extra to my post.