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Post by sterthandstives on Nov 20, 2009 19:41:58 GMT -5
Snydley, Wiliam Henry TREVARTHEN and Selina POLKINGHORNE were my Gt Gt Grandparents.Selina was originally from Breage I've always recorded Wm Hrys parentage as John TREVARTHEN and Ann YEATS . William Hry fits in here nicely and census records confirm his presence in the family. Also, other researchers confirm this lineage. Was delighted to learn that 20 years prior to my own resaerch, a second ( or third cousin) had produced a tree with practically the same information that I had found. However, His marriage certificate which I purchased states that his father was William TREVARTHEN- a miner. Now, was this an error in recording on the certificate or was his father known by John in the familiar and William officially? Who knows?
I do know that in and around St Erth there were two, possily three separate clans of TREVARTHENs. As I have only gone back as far as John's parents, William TREVARTHEN b 1750 and Ann THOMAS would very much like to know his lineage.
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Post by snydly on Nov 21, 2009 3:43:52 GMT -5
Great to hear from you cousin ;D
We have much to discuss and figure out in the coming months, as I do most of my Genealogy research in wintertime.
One question for you, any luck finding Ann Yates / Yeats Mother and Father yet? This is where I am stuck with her.
I have in my tree Ann's last name as Yates, as a later son has Yates as a middle name.
Look forward to starting a separate thread and working on problems together.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 21, 2009 7:42:26 GMT -5
I am willing to say now that there is almost certainly an error in recording details on the marriage certificate.
This problem has appeared more than twice in the last twelve months with one occurrence in the Quick family that I think has been well discussed and documented here.
CT
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Post by sterthandstives on Nov 21, 2009 18:20:34 GMT -5
Hello Cuz,
No luck- but I did some "collecting" of the YEATS/YATES names in the vicinity but that was several years ago. I shall look out my notes and let you know
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Post by sterthandstives on Nov 21, 2009 18:22:32 GMT -5
Thanks CT,
That would seem the most obvious as eveything else fits so nicely.
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Post by donne on Nov 21, 2009 20:19:27 GMT -5
Now, was this an error in recording on the certificate or was his father known by John in the familiar and William officially? Who knows? If an error, it seems to go back to the parish records, as transcribed on the Cornwall OPC website www.cornwall-opc-database.org/searchdb.php?dbname=marriagesMarriages - Details of record ID 313856: Parish or Registration District:Erth, St. Date:26-Mar 1853 GROOM:William Henry TREVARTHEN Groom's age:full Groom's condition: Groom's rank/profession:miner Groom's residence:St Erth Father:William Trevarthen Father's rank/profession:miner BRIDE:Selina POLKINGHORNE Bride's age:under age Bride's condition:spinster Bride's rank/profession: Bride's residence:St Erth Father:Charles Polkinghorne Father's rank/profession:miner Banns(B) or Licence(L):?banns Groom Signed(S) or Marked(M): Bride Signed(S) or Marked(M): Witness 1:John Coliver Witness 2:Charles Polkington
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 21, 2009 23:55:48 GMT -5
Yes - it is not a transcription error but an error from when the event was first recorded.
I have seen actual certificates with errors like this including the Quick marriage I alluded to.
In this case the father was recorded as George but, in fact, was William.
CT
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Post by marychown on Nov 24, 2009 3:35:59 GMT -5
Yes - it is not a transcription error but an error from when the event was first recorded. I have seen actual certificates with errors like this including the Quick marriage I alluded to. In this case the father was recorded as George but, in fact, was William. CT Talking of 'errors' on actual marriage certificates, I also have experience of such an instance and it just goes to prove that one should never take as gospel what was written on a marriage certificate, as it can prove to be a real red herring and take up a lot of wasted time when doing family history research! My great-great-grandfather John NICHOLLS married Sophia Hill at Madron on 1 January 1838. I obtained the marriage certificate and on that it was stated that John was aged 19, a shoemaker of Penzance and a bachelor. It also stated that he was the son of William NICHOLLS, also a shoemaker. Witnesses of the marriage were William Hill, Sophia's father who was a shipwright and Elizabeth Webb, who I subsequently ascertained from various records was of Sophia's age and a neighbour of Sophia's family and no relation to either John or Sophia. I spent several years trying to find a lead on John's ancestry and all to no avail. John appeared in every census taken at Penzance between 1851 and 1891 - his age was consistent and his place of birth was always given as Penzance. However, I could not find an appropriate baptism for him. Finally, I contacted Cornwall Record Office and asked them to help me in my research. Archivist David Thomas at CRO finally helped me solve the enigma. The only relevant baptism that could be found was for John NICHOLLS, baptised at St. Mary's Church, Penzance, on 18 May 1818, but he was baptised to Elizabeth NICHOLLS, single woman of Penzance. I was told that no William NICHOLLS, shoemaker or otherwise, had a son called John baptised anywhere in the Penwith region during the years searched. Bastardy bonds and other records were also checked but with no result. CRO's conclusion was that John had lied about his father when getting married probably out of embarrassment at the fact that he was illegitimate! I was told that this was sometimes the case and that people getting married did not always give the correct details! Having been put straight on this matter, I was able to view this particular case from a fresh perspective. I eventually found John and Sophia and their then two children, John and Fanny, in the 1841 census recorded under the surname NICHOLAS living with Sophia's parents in Penzance. Further research revealed that there was indeed a William NICHOLAS, shoemaker, possibly married and with a family, living in Penzance who was recorded in the 1841 census, and recorded as a labourer, married and with the same named family in each census until 1871. So, although it could never be proved, I had to ask myself whether this William NICHOLAS was in fact John's natural father, that John had perhaps been apprenticed to him as a shoemaker and that around 1841 John had gone under the surname NICHOLAS. I know that names could frequently be recorded incorrectly as regards spelling, but the sound of the names NICHOLLS and NICHOLAS is entirely different! Also, inspection of the 1841 handwritten entry clearly shows NICHOLAS. Mary
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 24, 2009 5:55:44 GMT -5
That is a name that is particularly dicey! I have seen instances where the name in various records (including vital records) differs from record to record for the same individual. Catherine Nicholls Martins is one that comes to mind with the records variously showing Nicholls, Nichols and Nicholas. So I think it wise not to be mislead with this particular name and discard an entry because of the spelling! Although probably a little more complex - it is bit like my own family name. Trewhella, Trewheela, Trewella are the most common variants - but then you can get to Trewheeler, Trewheellar and others. I know of two families whose origins can be accurately traced back to two brothers yet one spells the name Trewhella and the other as Trewheela. As with everything in this game - much care and research is required to find the truth and nothing should be discarded until it can be absolutely proved that it does not belong! CT
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Post by cardell1957 on Mar 2, 2011 6:42:15 GMT -5
To cornish terrier,i had relations from st erth gudge morley murley jenkins
peter
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 2, 2011 8:31:48 GMT -5
G'day Peter - You 'may' find some connections over at St Buryan with the Morley/Murley families. Some work I did a year or so back indicated the possibility that at least one of those families had involvement in both Parishes.
I have not done a lot with the families you mention but if you have a specific problem then let us know and we can do a little searching.
CT
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Post by snydly on Mar 7, 2011 0:04:35 GMT -5
It seems I have a few Trewhella, Trewheela and Trewella in my tree. All seem to link through my relation in and Around St Erth. ;D
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 7, 2011 1:27:04 GMT -5
Perhaps you had best tell me more! CT
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Post by snydly on Mar 7, 2011 22:56:06 GMT -5
This family is not in my direct pedigree but it does branch into it through a round about way. This family is about the most Solid early information for this family in my tree. I have some earlier dates but the information for them are more tenuous and sketchy.
This family lived in Towednack, Cornwall for entire life of family. William Trewhella 1660 – 1732 married Jane Baragwanath 1664 - 1731
Children: Elizabeth Trewhella 1690 – 1734 James Trewhella 1691 – Catherine Trewhella 1694 – 1732 William Trewhella 1697 – 1685 Joan Trewhella 1699 – 1739 Thomas Trewhella 1701 – Jane Trewhella 1704 – 1781
Jane's Parents are Richard Baragwanath and Jane --- William's Parents are James Trewheela and Blanche ---
I will need to work on this family and descendants more in the future.
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Post by snydly on Mar 7, 2011 23:25:07 GMT -5
My 7th Great Grandparents are: William Baragwanath 1669 - Oct 15 1723 Towednack married Jane Curnow 1676 - 1743 Their Son William Baragwanath 1696 - 1766 (my Direct Relation) married Prudence Uren 1700 - 1783. I know there is a ton of research done on these families from reading the boards ... I just need to spend the time to verify and piece it together into my tree.
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