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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 12, 2007 13:41:29 GMT -5
There must be some of you who have interest in, or connections to, St Erth Parish?  I may be able to help as that is the Parish to where, so far, I have been able to trace my Trewhella ancestors. C'mon - get involved!  |
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Post by marktrengove on Apr 12, 2007 16:23:26 GMT -5
Here's one with an interest in St Erth - me!
My early Trengove ancestors appear to have decanted en masse there from Illogan around 1600 and been in the area for a generation or two. Then the trail there goes cold, only to re-appear further west with a Reginald and Nathaniel Trengove, and their mother Alice, appearing in Stithians and Ponsanooth in the mid-16th century.
I a keen to find out what happened to the St Erth Trengoves.
Any thoughts?
Mark Trengove
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 13, 2007 9:11:55 GMT -5
Mark - I do believe you mean they decanted from St Erth and appeared further EAST? at Stithians.  I have done a search of the St Erth Baptisms from the beginning of what is available (1563) until 1800 and found no reference. However, a look at LDS Pedigree Resource File shows:- James Trengove bn. 1601 s/o John Trengove. But I went back into the Baptisms and all I could find for 1600-1602 was:- Thomas Trengowe s/o Thomas bp. 3rd May 1601 Pedigree Resource File also shows some 1500's activity for Trengove in Madron Parish so that will be worth checking out. I have now gone into IGI for a search and have found a few references to your family at St Erth in the early part of the 1600's. The name is spelled a few different ways in the Baptisms Transcript - Trongowe, Trengowe for example. It seems the Transcriber had difficulty with a lot of entries in those early years so it makes me wonder how the submitters to Pedigree Resource File came to their conclusions with some of these. One point is that PRF entries seem to refer to the father of many of these as JOHN. The Transcriber has entered the father as THOMAS. The IGI does show the father as Thomas in the baptism of Elioner in 1611. Now to check the St Erth Burials:- March 3rd, 1599 - Agnes d/o Thomas Trengowe January 3rd, 1602 - James s/o James Trengowe I cannot find any Trengo()e marriages at St Erth for the relevant period. If you can give me as much detail as you have about the St Erth family and, maybe, a little either side of the St Erth connection I will try and find out a little more for you. As a matter of interest - here is the entry from G. Pawley White's book ' A Handbook of CORNISH SURNAMES':- TRENGOVE - from Tre-an-gof: homestead of the smith. Place name TRENGOVE, Illogan Hope that helps!  |
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Post by marktrengove on Apr 13, 2007 17:55:58 GMT -5
Kathie,
Thanks. Yes, west was a typo for east re. Stithians! Apart from the Madron connection, which I will check out, I had all these from my own researches and the large amount of material on the other branch of my family, the Nances.
Your will transcriptions show another intriguing lead - a John Trengove, will proved 1 May 1682, St Just-in-Penwith. You can't get much further west than that!
Yes, Trengove Farm, Illogan, is where my family sprang from. I have been there, and to Nance nearby. More of this in the Illogan section idc!
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Post by Zenobia on Apr 13, 2007 18:08:29 GMT -5
Kathie, Thanks. Yes, west was a typo for east re. Stithians! Apart from the Madron connection, which I will check out, I had all these from my own researches and the large amount of material on the other branch of my family, the Nances. Your will transcriptions show another intriguing lead - a John Trengove, will proved 1 May 1682, St Just-in-Penwith. You can't get much further west than that! Yes, Trengove Farm, Illogan, is where my family sprang from. I have been there, and to Nance nearby. More of this in the Illogan section idc! Ooops! That was Ian you were talking to, I'm Zenobia... Anyway, the film you will want to order for the 1682 will is this one: Archdeaconry of Cornwall: Wills & Admons AP/T/1012-1608, (1669-1696) LDS film #1471721 |
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Post by marktrengove on Apr 13, 2007 18:23:35 GMT -5
Whoops indeed! Sorry, Ian! I've yet to get the hang of the format - wrong person, wrong sex, wrong country, wrong continent! Apologies!
Ian,
What did you find on Pedigree Resource File on Trengoves in Madron?
Cheers!
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Post by marktrengove on Apr 13, 2007 18:31:59 GMT -5
Ah, now I see!
You found John Trengove marrying there.
I know about him. He wasn't a Trengove, but a Nance - the son of Henry Nance, the most famous and wealthiest of the Trengove/Nances. He was MP for Helston in the time of Henry VIII and held extensive estates all over Cornwall - I reckon he made a killing by snapping up cheap land after the dissolution of the monasteries, as the dates fit.
He built Nance farm at Illogan, they say, which I have visited.
You cannot trust IGI for these early Trengoves and Nances.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 13, 2007 18:42:20 GMT -5
Mark - no apologies necessary!  But you are right - use IGI only as a guide and make sure you check everything for yourself or, at least, have someone you can trust do it for you. I am a little interested in that Nance family also as it may have possible connections in a long roundabout way to part of my own research. You see, St Ives was home to a family of that name who seemed, I think, at one point to alternate between Nance and Ninnes as a surname. However, I have some records here of that part of the St Ives family. (Albeit from other people's work and downloaded of course). Keep talking and let us see what we can turn up! |
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Post by marktrengove on Apr 14, 2007 5:06:11 GMT -5
I have some information on my cousins the Nances, and you are right that they are also Ninnis.
When I have some time I will construct a tree of the early trengoves/Nances on ancestry.co.uk for all to see.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 14, 2007 10:09:50 GMT -5
That would be great Mark! I think I first encountered members of the Nance family whilst doing some Stevens research in St Ives and surrounds. The first one was probably Elizabeth (d/o Thomas Stevens) who married John Nance at St Ives in 1667. He was then known as 'John Nance, jr' but it seems his burial in 1720 records him then as 'John Nance, sr'. The 'attraction' to this family, I guess, is the Christian Name of 'ALIEN'! Look forward to your next. |
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Post by cornishancestors on Oct 4, 2009 11:13:18 GMT -5
Hello, I have ancestors in St ERTH,
TREVARTHENS
Iam looking into Trevarthens' and Tredreas',
I am looking for children ,parents & grandparents for William Trevarthen born 1770 who married Ann Thomas .
I know they had a son John Trevarthen born 1801 married Ann Yates; their son was William Henry Trevarthen b 1833/29 -1896 married Selina Polkinghorne b 1837-1924.
TREDREAS:
I am looking for family for Thomas Tredrea born 1760's married Ann Ford, their son Thomas Tredrea born 1791 married Ann Richards, their son was Samuel Richard Tredrea b 1833-1881 married Mary Barnes born 1836, their som was John Tredrea born 1869.
any more info to fill in gaps in my tree, many thanks
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 7, 2009 8:41:52 GMT -5
Hi Cornishancestors - I seem to recall some discussion here some time back about your William TREVARTHEN.
As far as I am aware the origins of William have not yet been determined although that may have changed since I was last involved with that conversation.
If you search around you will find details of previous discussions that may help you.
Thomas TREDREA
It would appear we have an interesting problem here.
Samuel Richard Tredrea married Mary Barnes in 1870 at Madron.
Yet in the 1881 Census there is a son John born about 1866.
I also have record of a son named Samuel born about 1863.
The indications are that Samuel must have been previously married although he is not recorded as a widower when he married Mary Barnes.
It also seems that his father must have married a second time as in the 1851 Census his wife is Mary.
A little more information might help - if you have it.
Be happy to try and find some more answers for you.
CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 7, 2009 8:46:46 GMT -5
Now here is an odd thing!  As I mentioned in my previous post - it appears that Thomas Tredrea may have married a second time given his wife in 1851 is MARY age 54 born Redruth. But move on to 1861 and his wife is again ANN, age 64 born Redruth. In 1851 the name is very clearly MARY!  I have no answer for that but it does explain why I could not find a marriage for Thomas and Mary! |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 7, 2009 9:11:19 GMT -5
Hmmm - looks like Samuel may not have been previously married after all! It would appear that the first two children were illegitimate sons of Mary. Samuel s/o Mary BARNES bp. 24th February 1865 St Erth (born 30th December 1862) John s/o Mary BARNES bp. 29th June 1869 St Erth (born 8th April 1869) There is no mention of who the father may have been but both boys appear with the surname TREDREA in both 1871 and 1881 Census records. In 1871 Mary also has another child - Bessie age 8 born Madron. Bessie d/o Mary BARNES of Union Workhouse bp. 21st April 1862 Madron She also appears as TREDREA in the 1871 Census. |
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Post by snydly on Nov 20, 2009 14:45:32 GMT -5
I have many connections in St. Erth ... in the next few weeks I will unerth a few of them for us to work on :-)
Including the Trevarthens which was queried about by cornishancestors above.
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