Which John UREN?

[cledry]

It is interesting how the signatures can often help guide us. It is something that I must admit I hadn't used much in the past, but thanks to you I now tend to look at in a new light.

The attachments came through nicely too.

[cledry]

Now I need to work on which children belong to which John HOSKING and Mary.

Always something to make life more interesting.

[Cornish Terrier]

Once you have checked those children I would like to see what you come up with. I went through it yesterday and came up with a scenario but I am not sure we will ever know for certain exactly which and how many children belong to each couple.

CT

[cledry]

OK my take just based on a quick going over is:

John HOSKIN m 22 OCT 1772 Mary UREN:
Thomasine 11 APR 1773 (she died in 1790)
Joan 26 MAR 1775
Mary 19 DEC 1779
Henry 14 DEC 1781
John 1 SEP 1782

John HOSKIN m 05 JUN 1775 Mary UREN:
Mary & John (twins) 12 SEP 1775 (John died as an infant)
John 4 MAR 1777
William 29 MAR 1778
Stephen 10 MAR 1782
Grace 4 JUL 1784
Jennifer 7 FEB 1787

I am not sure where to place:
Thomasin Dec 1790 (died aged 9 months)
Thomasin 2 AUG 1792

I would like to think it is with the first couple in honour of their daughter Thomasin who died 1790 but it would be a long gap of 8 years between children, if I am correct in figuring out which children go with each couple.

I suspect one John HOSKIN is the son of Stephen HOSKING and Mary ROBERTS. Perhaps the other to William HOSKING and Elizabeth THOMAS. Unfortunately both these couples also named a child Stephen. The first couple had a Jennifer and a Grace.

[Cornish Terrier]

Unfortunately both these couples also named a child Stephen.

Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion as I can find just one record of a Stephen baptised to a John Hoskin (var.). Anyway here is my list which I think differs substantially from yours.

John Hosking and Mary Uren married 22nd October 1772 at Lelant
1. Thomasine bp. 11th April 1773 Ludgvan and buried 2nd November 1790 Ludgvan age 17
2. Joan bp. 26th March 1775 Ludgvan married Thomas Williams at Gulval 12th November 1798
3. John bp. 4th May 1777 Ludgvan
4. Mary bp. 19th December 1779 Ludgvan
5. Stephen bp. 10th March 1782 Ludgvan
6. Grace bp. 4th July 1784 Ludgvan
7. Jennifer bp. 17th June 1787 Ludgvan (born 7th February 1787)
8. Thomasine bp. 24th January 1791 Ludgvan (born 10th December 1790) and buried 18th August 1791 Ludgvan age 9 months
9. Thomasine bp. 10th February 1793 Ludgvan (born 8th August 1792)

John Hoskin and Mary (nee Carbes) Uren widow married 5th June 1775 Ludgvan
1. John bp. 12th September 1775 Ludgvan (probably buried 12th November 1775 Ludgvan)
2. Mary bp. 12th September 1775 Ludgvan
3. William bp. 29th March 1778 Ludgvan
4. John bp. 1st September 1782 Ludgvan

Mary Carbess/Carbis/Carbence (etc.) was probably one of two baptisms at Ludgvan in 1741:-

11th July 1741 Ludgvan - John and Mary twin children of Reginald Carbuss baptised privately
25th January 1741/2 Ludgvan - Mary daughter of Francis Carbess baptised

In either case Mary would have been age about 48 or 49 by 1790 so it is highly unlikely she would have been the mother of those last two Thomasines. (I use age 48 as the cutoff for women to be having children back then and with a baptism you have to allow for the possibility that the child was more than a year old when baptised)

CT

[cledry]

Sorry for the confusion. I meant that William HOSKIN and Elizabeth THOMAS as well as Stephen HOSKYN and Mary ROBERTS both had a Stephen HOSKIN.

What made you assign John bap 1777 to the first couple. Was it that it slots in neatly to having children baptised every two years? I couldn't decide on this one or the John bap 1782 for which couple.

I agree that Stephen, Grace and Jennifer all belong to the same couple, likely the John that was the son of Stephen HOSKYN and Mary ROBERTS. Agreed on the Thomasine theory, that makes total sense.

[cledry]

Had a re-think regarding your choice of John. It would be too close to have Stephen and John both baptised 1782. So it makes perfect sense.

I missed an obvious clue that was pointed out by a very helpful family historian. Stephen HOSKYN married a Thomasin JAMES 12 JUN 1725 at Ludgvan.

They had a son John. That would account for Thomasin and Stephen as children's names for son John. Of course John and Mary would be obvious names for children as well. Mary UREN's mother was Jone, so that further explains another child's name.

[Cornish Terrier]

It is not unusual to find children of the same family baptised months, weeks or sometimes even days apart within the same year. Not so bad if you have one baptised around January/February and the other around November/December but it gets very confusing if those baptisms are much closer together. The reason is usually that at least one of those children had their baptism delayed for one reason or another or perhaps had been privately baptised earlier.
But when you add a second couple of the same names (i.e. John and Mary Hosking and John and Mary Hosking) then it can become very tiresome!

In the case of the two families here I am reasonably comfortable with my conclusions but I certainly wouldn't be betting huge sums on it!

CT