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Post by genie on Oct 4, 2007 14:58:27 GMT -5
Would someone be able to look at the information for Samuel Truan age 25 arrived Naco,Arizona,1st April 1919 to see if he was accompanied by anyone.
There is also a Samuel Truan listed amongst those deported in the Bisbee deportation of 1917.
Does anyone have any idea if there is any information about individuals?
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 4, 2007 15:28:17 GMT -5
Hi Genie - been a while.  I would hope that Zenobia and some other of our American based members might be able to help with this one. Never dealt with that side of things (i.e. border crossings) but will be willing to try and find a few things for you if no-one else can help.  Would like you to elaborate a little more on the reasons for this particular enquiry. Please (even via PM) provide some further information which might allow us to help you further.  |
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Post by genie on Oct 4, 2007 15:48:53 GMT -5
Although my Truan ancestors came from the Gerrans,Feock etc area they eventully settled in Camborne. Four of the sons emigrated to the US and another died in South Africa.
I have quite a lot of information regarding them and am trying to fill in the gaps to build a picture of them in the US.
I believe that this is one of them but I have been unable to find a death date:Edwin Truan married Mrs. Caroline Brandt - 6 Oct. 1894 registered in Clear Creek County,Colorado.
The US death certificates have a lot more information compared to the English ones therefore most likely it would have the name of his parents.
Regarding a great-uncle can someone from the US please tell me would I be able to purchase a death certificate via the internet of a great-uncle who died in 1979.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 4, 2007 16:45:55 GMT -5
Genie - thanks for some clarification regarding your initial query. The Death Certificate problem is not one I can immediately help with, unfortunately.  But I must agree with you that the US Death Certificates (along with those of Australia, of course) are the best I have seen when it comes to information regarding parents and birthplace. However, it must be remembered that the information provided on a Death Certificate is only as good as the information known by the informant.  Should you be able to acquire a copy of the DC you want - please be aware of the possible shortcomings. If no one else is able to come forward and give a hand I will see if I can find some other avenues of help. As regards the 1894 marriage of Edwin Truan to Mrs Caroline Brandt - I would suggest a look at the 1900 Census and then work through each available Census thereafter. Enough information should be found to give you some further clues but, once again, this is one area where I am unable to help. I would suggest Zenobia as one who can probably access these records. We also have one or two new members from the US who might be able to help.  Let's see what happens from here. I will continue to help as best I can. |
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Post by genie on Oct 4, 2007 17:41:33 GMT -5
Someone sent a copy of the marriage to me but unlike the English marriage certificates parents names aren't shown.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 5, 2007 9:16:12 GMT -5
Not all UK Marriage Certificates show the names of parents either. Let me know how you get on with other avenues and, if required, I will try to find something more for you via some other possible contacts. |
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Post by Zenobia on Oct 5, 2007 14:17:38 GMT -5
Would someone be able to look at the information for Samuel Truan age 25 arrived Naco,Arizona,1st April 1919 to see if he was accompanied by anyone. I went back to Ancestry and put in the year and the state, with "Apr" in the additional info part (it was 1906 BTW, not 1919). The following people also came thru on that day: Axel W. Menstroem Joseph Ginel Arquimedos Fantuzzi John Doyle Albert Barbiso Erik Anderson John Alexander There were also a number of people listed for Apr 1906, but with no specific day. |
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Post by Zenobia on Oct 5, 2007 14:20:44 GMT -5
Someone sent a copy of the marriage to me but unlike the English marriage certificates parents names aren't shown. The certificates themselves only give the name of the bride and groom, the date and place of the wedding and the name of the minister or JP. However, in most states it was necessary to file an application before the marriage, and the application always lists the parents (unless of course they were unknown). So if you still have that contact, see if he or she can get a copy of the actual application (what was sent to you is called the 'marriage return'. The courthouse should have it. |
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Post by Zenobia on Oct 5, 2007 14:31:33 GMT -5
The US death certificates have a lot more information compared to the English ones therefore most likely it would have the name of his parents. Regarding a great-uncle can someone from the US please tell me would I be able to purchase a death certificate via the internet of a great-uncle who died in 1979. Which state and for what year? |
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Post by genie on Oct 5, 2007 14:40:54 GMT -5
Sorry It was my mistake. Samuel also crossed the border from Canada in 1919. |
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Post by genie on Oct 5, 2007 15:18:28 GMT -5
Leslie Truan died March 1979,Bisbee,Arizona.
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Post by Zenobia on Oct 5, 2007 18:48:34 GMT -5
Arizona is a closed records state, which means they make is near impossible for you to get a death certificate. You can read thru the info here and decide if it is worth the attempt: www.azdhs.gov/vitalrcd/death_index.htm#GenealogicalAnother possibility would be to get a copy of his application for Social Security, which you can do using the Social Security Death Index (I take it that is where you got his death date). Just follow the link from the listing in Ancestry. Or you could try for an obituary. This might be difficult without the exact death date however. Try contacting the Copper Queen Library in Bisbee: msbwhite.googlepages.com/home |
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Post by Zenobia on Oct 5, 2007 21:04:11 GMT -5
Genie,
Did you see the Canadian Soldiers of WWI for Samuel Truan? I assume that you have Ancestry? If not, I will gladly get the info for you.
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Post by genie on Oct 6, 2007 7:51:16 GMT -5
I haven't Ancestry and yes I would like to have Samuel's WW1 card as I am not sure if I have that one.
Charles Truan and William Jack Truan WW1 draft cards I have had sent to me in the past. Charles is a brother to Samuel and William Jack Truan is a nephew to Charles and Samuel.
William Jack Truan's father was called William Ernest/Ernest William Truan.
Regarding Leslie Truan, also a nephew to Charles and Samuel,
what information is on an application for social security ?
After having a look at the site regarding the certificate I don't think that I will bother.Anyway, I have have his mother and stepfather's death certificates which are online.
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Post by genie on Oct 7, 2007 8:52:23 GMT -5
I have had a look through the USA Truan information which I have and have found a copy of Samuel Truan's WW1 draft card.
He was alo found in the 1920 census but was written as: Samuel Torian!
Samuel was with his sister-in-law Hannah and her 2nd husband Richard Maddern. They were living in Hurley.
Hannah's 1st husband was William Ernest/Ernest William Truan whose divorce information I haven't been able to find.
William was a brother to Samuel.
I don't think that I have been able to find a draft card for William Truan.
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