And here's the information on Richard Noall's seafaring activities:
Service/Voyages: 1874 Mate, Highflyer, ON65137, 17Apr Plymouth to??, 26Jun ?? to London. 9Jul Plymouth to??, dis 18Sep 1875 Mate, Bessie Grenfell, ON55252, 26Jan Milford to Cadiz, back Antwerp from South America 4Oct Mate, Caroline Beeson, ON 45770, 8Nov Swansea to Mediterranean. Vessel wrecked 14Nov 2nd Mate, Lubra ON73592, 15Dec Ipswich to Aust ..... So... it would appear that it was on the 15Dec Ipswich to Aust voyage that he jumped ship. Well, at least this would be a good starting point for that hypothesis. Will check the papers as soon as I can to see if anything was reported of the case
If anyone has any further ideas on how to find his death, or more about his life, I would be very very grateful
Although coming late to this party, a couple of thoughts to add to the pot....
If Richard Noall was on board a ship being wrecked on the Cornish coast in mid November 1875, he could not possibly have got to Ipswich, Qld, Australia (as suggested by someone else in this thread) by mid December 1875. Presumably therefore he sailed from Ipswich, Suffolk, England to Australia??
As to finding more out about Richard Noall in Fiji, I may be able to suggest some possibilities given the challenges I had finding an ancestor who should have been in NSW in 1881, and then turned up dead in Fiji, having gone over as a builder when they were starting up the sugar industry at the time.
As someone (think it was CT) said, Fiji was part of the empire and I think is still part of the Commonwealth. As such British record keeping seems to have been the norm from fairly early. The registry of BDMs was certainly going by the 1870's, since I have a copy of my ancestors 1881 death certificate.
I have also seen records suggesting that censuses (of at least non-natives) were being taken at least as early as 1874, although I cannot comment on their frequency.
The main newspaper (at least today) is the Fiji Times. I am not sure exactly when it started, but suspect it was back into the 19th century. A lot of Fijian news was also reported in Australian (primarily Sydney. perhaps Brisbane) newspapers due to the continual movement of ships back and forth.
A further quick though if you decide to explore Aussie newspapers for news of Fiji - don't just look in the date range you expect to find the information. Quite often it took a year or two for the news to filter back to Australia, where it was sometimes then reported as if new news.
In the case of my ancestor, he had married for the second time in NSW in 1878, and his second wife then remarried as a widow in 1882. Could not find any record of his death in Australia, including the Sydney newspapers - purely because I was looking in the range 1878-1882. His death was reported in the Sydney paper in 1883 as if it were a recent death, even though his widow must have known about it for at least a year!
Post by cornishmaid on May 10, 2008 8:06:54 GMT -5
Many thanks Gandolf, I will certainly look into those channels and bear your points about time delay in mind.
Do you know how I can access the records that are available? I didn't even think of Australian newspapers as being a source of information. I've obviously accessed lots of records over here in England, but wouldn't have a clue where to start with Australian or Fiji records.
Any pointers you could give me would be brilliant
I've got so many brick walls I could build a Mansion!
Cornishmaid, I am not sure how much help I can be given the research into my ancestor was originally done by the local genie group in the are where he was last living and they were the ones with the access to the Sydney newspapers. Once I had the date, it was relatively simple to obtain the death certificate from the Fiji BDM registry.
Fiji WAS part of the Commonwealth so yes, records are available at the National Archives of Fiji which hosts Births, Deaths and Baptism records from 1875 onwards. Records prior to 1875 are available in the Methodist Church of Fiji Archives (also kept in the Fiji National Archives Building) and the Catholic Church of Fiji Archives (located at Nicholas House in Suva).
I live in Fiji and spend considerable time at the Archives when I'm able. I'll keep a lookout for any mention of Capt. Richard Noall or family members.
Rather have a life full of "oh wells" than a life filled with "what ifs".
Post by roadrunner on Apr 21, 2014 14:45:49 GMT -5
Re Richard Noall Fiji 1861census aged13 1871census aged 23 crew of Lubra 28  T.W. Noall 1861 aged 3 1871 13 18  cornishmaid list Richard 2nd mate on S.S.Lubra ON73592 15dec [Ipswich to Aust [1875 ] S.S Lubra built Glasgow 1860 for the aust coastal trade Mariners and Ships in Australian Waters LUBRA of London Joseph Garson Master 279tons From Port of Launceston to Sydney N.S.W. 9th/Sept/1876 Garson Joseph Captain Passengers Nil Young James Mate 22 Cornwall [believe St Ives will confirm] Noall Richard 2nd Mate 28 St Ives Meacle George A.B. 27 Sydney Frazer Angus A B. 23 Edinburgh Short James A.B. 22 Barnstable Noall T.W. A.B. 18 St Ives Hay William Engineer 44 London Miller Robert O.S, 22 Glasgow Lloyd R 2nd Eng 24 Cardiff Wilson William Fireman 40 Glasgow Clare William Trimmer 23 Belfast Ross James C&S 25 Glasgow Timbs Fred Fireman 22 Bridgwater Mackay James A.B. 40 Wick Source :- State RecordsAuthority of N.S.W. Shipping Masters Office; Passengers Arriving1885-1922 N.R.S.13278 [ x135-136] Reel 434 More to follow Regards Doug