Post by cornishmaid on Aug 15, 2007 9:08:20 GMT -5
A veritable melting pot indeed of genealogical brains ;D
My line is from James' brother Charles Noall, born 1855 in St Ives. Charles married another Rebecca and another Noall - Rebecca Williams Noall (just to confuse things further :. Rebecca W Noall was the daughter of Richard Noall and Elizabeth Williams.
So many Noalls....
I've got so many brick walls I could build a Mansion!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Aug 24, 2007 10:38:50 GMT -5
Having just located the marriage of John NOALL and Wilmot LANDER I would suggest that she was certainly the daughter of Adam and Jane.
When Nancy Richards Lander married Thomas Noall in 1839 she named her father as 'Adam Lander, carpenter'
In 1840 Wilmot Lander married John Noall and named her father as 'Adam Lander, joiner'.
Carpenter and Joiner are generally one and the same so I think we can (more or less) close the case on that part of the problem.
I have noticed a couple of other Lander marriages at St Ives where the father's were 'joiners' so will take a look at this for a few minutes.
It is possible that Adam was the following:-
Adam Lander bp. 26 Jun 1749 at Constantine s/o James and Elizabeth
From here I have found the following marriage:-
James LAUNDER m. Elizabeth ROBINSON 16th November 1736 at St Mawgan in Meneage (found in IGI and the Mawgan in Meneage OPC site)
The following baptisms from St Ives:-
James s/o Adam & Ann LAUNDER bp. 14th May 1775 (IGI) Adam s/o Adam & Ann LANDER bp. 13th Apr 1777 (IGI) Richard s/o Adam & Ann LAUNDER bp. 4th Feb 1781 (IGI) Adam s/o Adam & Ann LANDER bp. 1st Jan 1783 (IGI) Joseph s/o Adam & Ann LANDER bp. 10th Apr 1792 (IGI) Francis Richards s/o Adam & Ann LANDER bp. 10th Apr 1792 (IGI)
James being the first son is an indication that Adam may well have been the lad baptised at Constantine.
In 1840 at St Ives John Rouse married Mary d/o Joseph LANDER, joiner.
Also in 1840 at St Ives Daniel Freeman married Ann d/o Francis LANDER, carpenter.
Again in 1840 at St Ives Christopher Humphreys married Jane d/o Francis LANDER, joiner.
There is an Edward Freeman Lander involved as a witness in some of the St Ives Marriages but we might deal with him later.
I think there is enough here to suggest we are probably dealing with the one family.
Post by cornishmaid on Sept 19, 2007 7:03:07 GMT -5
Just thought I'd update everyone on what's been happening in the case of James Noall. Have managed to find a few pieces of information which would point to his being lost at sea in 1866.
From Lloyds Captains Registers
James Noall, born Cornwall 1838 Master’s Certificate of Competency No. 21797 issued Bristol 1863 1864 Master, Antigua Planter, ON13433, A 1864-65 Mate, Richard Tredwen, ON19368, M, FPS 1865-66 Master, Isabel, ON4013, M
(A = West Coast of Africa and adjacent islands; M = Mediterranean, Black Sea, Sea of Azoff, Adriatic; FPS = France (South of Brest), Portugal, Spain (outside Straits of Gibraltar), Azores).
From WPR: Isabella: NOALL - Master, Falmouth for Wales, sank all lost 31Mar1866
From The West Briton & Cornwall Advertiser, Issue April 20th 1866:
"There is now no reason to doubt the foundering of the Brig Isabel, Captain: Noale, belonging to Mr T Y Venn, of Bristol, and she has accordingly been entered as a "loss" in the proper maritime record. The Isabel was on her voyage from Rouen to Gloucester, and was last seen on the night of the 22nd March off the Longships. As nothing has been heard of her since, it is certain that she foundered during the severe gale of the following day, and that every soul on board perished."
It is strange that his presence as Master on the Isabel on her last voyage is not recorded on the Shipping Register. I am presuming this information is either lost or is recorded elsewhere, but will try and find out what the "proper maritime record" would be.
I am yet to find a crew list for the Isabel for her last voyage, but will keep an eye out for this and for any other information I can find.
Will keep you all posted
I've got so many brick walls I could build a Mansion!
Post by cornishmaid on Sept 19, 2007 7:20:26 GMT -5
And here's the information on Richard Noall's seafaring activities:
Service/Voyages: 1874 Mate, Highflyer, ON65137, 17Apr Plymouth to??, 26Jun ?? to London. 9Jul Plymouth to??, dis 18Sep 1875 Mate, Bessie Grenfell, ON55252, 26Jan Milford to Cadiz, back Antwerp from South America 4Oct Mate, Caroline Beeson, ON 45770, 8Nov Swansea to Mediterranean. Vessel wrecked 14Nov 2nd Mate, Lubra ON73592, 15Dec Ipswich to Aust
No entries in Lloyds Captains Registers
Extracts from Lloyd’s List 12 NovCaroline Beeson sailed Swansea for Barcelona 14 NovReported from Portreath: Caroline Beeson (sch) of London, from Swansea to Barcelona, with coal, has driven ashore here; crew eight in number, saved by rocket apparatus. Vessel will probably become a total wreck. 15 NovReported from Hayle: On Sunday morning at 8.30 the Caroline Beeson (three-masted schooner) from Swansea to Barcelona, with coal, went ashore on Portreath Beach; crew saved by rocket apparatus. Lloyd’s agent went to the wreck and feared it would break up last night’s tide, but it still stands. Her deck is blown up, and there is every prospect of her becoming a total wreck; men are stripping metal and saving gear.
So... it would appear that it was on the 15Dec Ipswich to Aust voyage that he jumped ship. Well, at least this would be a good starting point for that hypothesis. Will check the papers as soon as I can to see if anything was reported of the case
If anyone has any further ideas on how to find his death, or more about his life, I would be very very grateful
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 19, 2007 11:34:55 GMT -5
You have been a busy, busy girl I would be thinking.
You have managed to locate some wonderful information here which seems to have filled in a large part of the puzzle.
I will need time to digest it all but I certainly hope I can find something more out of this that might help.
It is interesting that the 15 December voyage was 'Ipswich' to Australia given that 'Ipswich' is a town in Queensland.
If we can find information on the Port for which the Ipswich was bound in Australia it 'may' be possible to learn something more.
As for old James Noall - he picked a good place to be sailing if the weather was a little nasty.
If I have read it right the ship would have been heading in a Westerly direction from Rouen before rounding Land's End and the Longships Light with the intention of making it's way Northeasterly towards Bristol.
The area of the Longships Lighthouse is very much in 'the firing line' as this is the area where the Atlantic Ocean, the Irish Sea and the English Channel converge.
Having seen the area myself I can say that it would not be a pleasant place to be should the weather turn a little inclement.
Will try and re-read these latest and see if I have anything of immediacy to offer.
But, certainly, if we can ascertain a Destination Port for Richard Noall's ship in 1875 then we may be able to find a little more about what happened 'down under'.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 20, 2007 11:36:56 GMT -5
There does not seem to be a lot more I can do on this one just now so will try to deal with other queries before returning and taking another look at it.
But - I think we have established the line of James Noalls back to the 1812 Marriage of James NOALL to Eleanor LEDDRA.
Based on this I will offer the following:-
In the 1861 Census James Noall (husband of Eleanor) stated he was born at St Ives and his given age equates to a birth of about 1789.
From IGI it would be apparent that he is probably:-
James s/o Thomas and Elizabeth NOALL bp. St Ives 31st January 1790.
This would mean the following IGI Marriage:-
Thomas NOALL m. Elizabeth QUICK 1st October 1781 at St Ives Town
HOWEVER - this information (IGI) appears incorrect.
A check of Phillimore & Taylor Marriages for St Ives shows the following:-
Thomas NOALL, t., & Elizabeth QUICK, w., lic. 1st October 1780
"Possible" children to this marriage would be:-
(male) Noall s/o Thomas & Elisabeth Noall bp. 25th February 1781 St Ives Elisabeth d/o Thomas & Elisabeth Noall bp. 7th July 1782 St Ives Mary d/o Thomas & Elizabeth Noall bp. 12th April 1784 St Ives Alexander s/o Thomas & Elizabeth Noall bp. 26th December 1785 St Ives William s/o Thomas & Elizabeth Noall bp. 27th May 1787 St Ives James s/o Thomas & Elisabeth Noall bp. 31st January 1790 St Ives William s/o Thomas & Elisabeth Noall bp. 26th February 1792 St Ives Thomas s/o Thomas & Elisabeth Noall bp. 23rd October 1792 St Ives William s/o Thomas & Elisabeth Noall bp. 26th December 1793 St Ives Christian d/o Thomas & Elisabeth Noall bp. 25th May 1795 St Ives John Bevans s/o Thomas & Eisabeth Noall bp. 22nd November 1795 St Ives Elisabeth d/o Thomas & Elisabeth Noall bp. 14th January 1798 St Ives Philip s/o Thomas & Elizabeth Noall bp. 14th February 1800 St Ives
Some doubt must be placed on a number of these entries because of the following marriage from Phillimore & Taylor at St Ives:-
Thomas Noall, mariner, & Elizabeth BEVAN married 18th September 1791