James UREN & Bernard Tregoning, Redruth

[teylu]

James UREN and Bernard TREGONING, yeomen, of Redruth, posted a bond, along with widow Jane RICHARDS, of Illogan, for the estate of James RICHARDS, yeoman, of Illogan, on 8 April 1844. The bond states that James Richards died intestate on 31st May 1842. If an inventory was ever filed, it does not seem to have survived.

All indications are this is the same James Richards whose civil death certificate shows his death in Illogan on that same date, 31st May 1842, at age 51, occupation: Miner; cause of death, "Decline."

In 1841, the family is enumerated in Illogan Highway, with James' occupation shown as "Ag Lab." A lease in 1839 from Basset to James Richards on property at Highway naming lives of Caroline age 18 and Eleanor age 10 & Mary age 8 his daughters "late held by William Hocking," coupled with William Hocking's LWT written 1818 which names daughter, Jane, wife of James Richards, gives reason to believe this is the James Richards who married Jane HOCKING on 12 May 1816 at Illogan.

But who were these men, James Uren and Bernard Tregoning, who joined Jane in posting the 1844 bond for James' estate? Was there a familial relationship, and if so, on which lines?

Bernard/Barnard Tregoning seems to be enumerated in Redruth Churchtown in 1841, with wife, Frances, and apparent children Elizabeth, John, Frances & Sampson.
I suspect this couple is Barnard Tregoning, widower and resident of St Agnes, and Frances Tremayne UREN, who md 24 Sept 1820 in Manaccan Parish. The family seems to have emigrated to Iowa County, Wisconsin, USA, prior to the 1850 census, where the surname is listed as "Tragonon." (By 1860, it is shown as Tregoning).

Was Frances Tremayne UREN (wife of Barnard Tregoning) related to James UREN?

The 1841 Redruth census enumerates two James Urens - one a hatter, the other a copper miner. (My money is on the copper miner as the other bondsman.) James Uren, the copper miner, appears to have married 21 Dec 1821, Redruth, to Elizabeth BROWN.

Can anyone 'connect the dots' between these families?
Could the common thread be James Richards (whose parents are unknown to me), or is it the family of his widow, Jane Hocking (whose parents appear to be William Hocking and Ann Trewela) ?

Any connections to this line or insight greatly appreciated.

-Sandy

[Cornish Terrier]

Sandy - there is that name again - 'Trewela'.

I have never attempted to trace children of William and Ann and this has been largely due to lack of resources for the area in which they were living.

I am certainly interested in finding out more about them so any detail you may add will surely help me to assist you in finding a result to your problem.

As I have insufficient information at the moment it would be unfair and confusing for me to comment too much.

If you are able to give me a few further details it should, I hope, assist me in tracking down some further information for you.

Ian

[davidkingmartin]

Ian: A Berryman`s Mill.

Near "Windswept, Top-of-the Hill Chapel....close to Arthur Caddick`s cottage..near Nancledra Hill, across the road down to Lowerquarter...Cledry{village?}....not far away a stream that worked Artur Berryman`s Mill..."
A Caddick , deceased , is a Cornish poet/writer. He knew me as a child.

[Cornish Terrier]

Reckon I know pretty much where you are talkin' about. (Although could not point out the exact spot on a map.)

But I reckon that 'cledry Hill is much nicer than Camborne Hill. ;D

I a sure we shall converse mucy more on this in the future and I will be looking forward to it - after my ISP connection is stablised again.

If I were down in Cornwall now I think I would be heading to somewhere like the Tinners Arms at Zennor, The Wink at Lamorna, The Old Inn at Ludgvan ..... - and probably then work my way around a few of the other old 'watering holes' I found when I was there several years ago. ;D

Be doing my best,

Ian

[kernow62]

davidkingmartin said:

Ian: A Berryman`s Mill.

Near "Windswept, Top-of-the Hill Chapel....close to Arthur Caddick`s cottage..near Nancledra Hill, across the road down to Lowerquarter...Cledry{village?}....not far away a stream that worked Artur Berryman`s Mill..."
A Caddick , deceased , is a Cornish poet/writer. He knew me as a child.

I missed this post. What are we looking for?

The chapel is the Primitive Methodist Chapel that is now Carn Pottery on top of Cledry Hill. The lane opposite is where Arthur Caddick and his wife lived. The first house was Ferndale Cottage, home of James Penberthy MARTIN and wife Florence nee HOSKING. Those are my grandparents and my mother and I lived there too. The next house belonged to Besant GEE and Katie nee CURNOW. Katie's mother Lizzie CURNOW nee HOSKING was my grandmother's sister. I can't recall who lived in the next house but Arthur CADDICK and Peggy lived right at the top end of the lane.

Arthur Caddick loved my granny, whenever he wrote a new poem or had a book published, he would sign a copy and bring it down for her. Granfer thought it weren't proper for a grown man to be writing poetry instead of working.

The road opposite the lane runs down to Lowerquarter is the road to Ludgvan, that is the Lowerquarter they are talking about I believe. The road was known as Perry's Lane there were two brothers, one lived at the top of this road with his brood, and the other lived lower down with his brood. They both had probably a dozen kids each and almost filled up Towednack School (now Nancledra School). My mum just told me that Berryman's Mill was off of Perry's Lane.

I just spent all morning reading old letters from my grandmother to my mother, dating from the late 1940s to 1967, lots of interesting trivia and details about local people. Some of it not fit to post on the web because it might offend a living relation, but most of it just who was sick, who was dead, that sort of thing.

David, you mentioned you knew Caddick, I am wondering where you lived, and whether you knew any of the people I mentioned?

[Cornish Terrier]

kernow62 - will contact you via PM regarding some of this so as to check a few details with you before placing, perhaps, indelicate queries on the Board.

We also cross-refence this with postings in the 'Queries' section.

Ian

[davidkingmartin]

Kernow: I left Cornwall at the age of 8. A Caddick knew me, rather than I remembering him. My late parents saw him in the 1970s, on visits. I have just disposed of an archive of Caddick material: letters to my father, signed books, scaps of paper etc. When I remember to whom/what I donated them to,I shall post a message here! It may have been the Cornwall Centre or the Univ.of Exeter. There is a Caddick "repository" (or "depository".) I had 10.000 books and manuscripts to dispose of 10 yrs ago when J H Martin passed away.
I have an unpublished manuscript about Dylan Thomas in Cornwall, 400 pages. Caddick gets a mention (as does D H Lawrence who lived in west Penwith for a while with his wife Frieda (von Richthofen)...accused of spying.
We lived at Trezelah, Gulval, from abt 1947 to 1952. My father had lived in the area since his birth (1914) at various locations including Castle Gate. He is buried in Ludgvan with his parents and my American mother whom he met during WW2 while with the RAF in Canada and Bermuda. Arthur was a close family friend.
Material by/about AC was deposited with the Cornwall Centre, Redruth, in 2004, by me. I may have some scans of some of it.
Dr Catherine Brace of Univ.of Exeter (if she is still there) has some papers relating to a court case concerning AC and the writer Sven Berlin ("The Dark Monarch"), which I sent her.