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Post by columb on Feb 25, 2023 11:14:29 GMT -5
CT, With my very limited experience of reading these sort of things I conclude that no actual wills survived the bombing of Exeter in 1942. There is however a "calendar" of wills and administrations which I assume is just a list of wills but not their contents. The link below shows the will existed but that's all. www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBOR%2FOR%2FDEVWILLS%2F260920I was prepared to go to Exeter to see a will but not just to see a list of thousands. Still, I'm happy to know that he made one. columb
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 25, 2023 12:58:14 GMT -5
Yes, I thought about it after I had posted and remembered that most of the records at Exeter were destroyed during the bombing. There was also a Will for a David Trewhella that was lost and I am almost sure he must have been the son of Charles and Margery from Camborne. He was also listed as one of four Trewhella grandchildren in the Will of Christopher Cock of Helston in 1679.
CT
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Post by donne on Feb 25, 2023 13:41:04 GMT -5
On the link quoted, I'm afraid I couldn't get past the sign-in page for FindMyPast. However you can find a information about the Devon Wills Project and in particular the listing of the Francis Harvye will on www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/DevonWillsProject/DWP-Ha-Har . I have extracted the information from the table and added the explanatory notes on the DWP web pages, as follows: Surname: Harvye First Name(s): Francis Place: Breage County: CON Status/Occupation: none stated Year: 1606 Type: W? Form: le List Entry (The code 'le' is used when the source from which the index item was transcribed neither contains nor leads to any further information about the item) Prob. Court: ECCE ECCE = (Episcopal) Consistory Court of (the Bishop of) ExeterSource Reference: FRYB 293 FRYB Fry, E.A. (ed.) Calendar of Wills and Administrations relating to the counties of Devon and Cornwall, proved in the Consistory Court of the Bishop of Exeter, 1532-1800. British Record Society Index Library Vol 46 (1914) Note: place possibly St Breock Most importantly, the form is just a list entry and so contains no further entry about the list item - not worth trotting off to Exeter in the hope of more detail!
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Post by columb on Feb 25, 2023 18:47:31 GMT -5
Thanks donne. You found exactly what I found but on a different site. I shan't be taking that trip to Exeter.
columb
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Post by donne on Feb 26, 2023 4:34:27 GMT -5
Thanks donne. You found exactly what I found but on a different site. columb As far as I know, the Devon Wills Project was carried out by volunteers, involving, amongst others, members of the Devon Family History Society. I am pleased that the information remains available free of charge. I do get annoyed when the efforts of volunteers are subsequently monetised by genealogical sites such as FindMyPast. End of rant.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 17, 2023 7:59:58 GMT -5
This, hopefully, will be a very brief post (especially as I have a pie in the oven!! ) but given the work my brain has just been subjected to I think some detail of those efforts are warrented. For a few weeks now I have been trying to muddle my way through the West Penwith Harveys. Priority has been to try and deal with the Deanery of St Buryan (St Buryan, Sennen and St Levan) first and gradually work out through Sancreed, Paul etc. And a particular name that needed to be focussed on was Abednego Harvey!! Well I have now just identified another of those Abednegos!! Whilst working through the Paul records I found myself looking at the 1753 marriage of James Harvey and Joan Trevorrowe. Now there were just two children to this marriage - son James in 1754 and daughter Joan in 1755. A very small number of children given the normal families of the time so there had to be a reason. I had not immediately been able to identify anything further on this little family so I looked at the next James which was the James Harvey who married Jane Leah at Paul in 1774. What struck me with that family was that for the baptisms of three of their children the mother's name was recorded as 'Joan'. The first couple and the last few children all had 'Jane' recorded for the mother. It was working on that particular part of the problem that the dam wall began to erode .............. I found that I had an as yet unread Will for a James Harvey of Paul proved in 1772. James Harvey wrote his Will in 1769 at which time both children - James and Joan - were not yet 20 years of age. (This is the james mentioned above with wife Joan Trevorrowe) The other main beneficiary was, of course, wife Joan so I knew I had that part of the family right. I was still not absolutely certain of the connection to the family of James Harvey and Jane Leah but the use of the name 'Joan' for some of the children was certainly a pointer. The BIG find in this Will was a very late bequest regarding some unnamed grandchildren who had been referred to a little earlier. The pertinent part of the Will:- My Will also is that the Legacys Given to my Grandchildren is in lieu and respect to their deceased father Abednego Harvey late of the Parish of Sennen in Cornwal aforesaid.Upon looking at the work already done on the Abednego Harveys I was able to determine that there could be just one possibility ............ the Abednego Harvey in question was buried at Sennen in 1761. He had married Blanch Leah at Paul in 1744 and had seven children of whom four were baptised at Sennen and three at Paul. This Abednego therefore could be just one person - the Abednego Harvey baptised 30th May 1717 at Paul to James Harvey and Margaret (nee Holla)!! James Harvey was first married in 1714 so must have been at least 60 when he married Joan Trevorrow and fathered his last two children! I now need to find the burial for first wife Margaret and hunt down a few more details but otherwise I think there can be no doubt about the identities of the people concerned. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 19, 2023 4:58:29 GMT -5
Something of interest I just found in my 'A Handbook of Cornish Surnames' (G. Pawley White) HARVEY - Possibly from Breton haer-vy: battle worthy, or Cornish arva: to arm. Original Harveys would appear to have been warriors. Widely distributed throughout Cornwall, mainly concentrated in West. Certainly worth thinking about when considering other origins. CT
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Post by zibetha on Apr 1, 2023 22:16:46 GMT -5
I hope I am not repeating myself, but I have a newer version of a photo of my great-great-grandfather and his children with my great-grandfather standing at the left. I received this from a cousin after a death in the family. The notes from a Harvey/Semmons grandchild confirm a family link to "Land's End" Zib The portrait is exceeds capacity on this site.
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Post by zibetha on Apr 1, 2023 23:00:39 GMT -5
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Post by spikeharwood on Apr 2, 2023 17:42:53 GMT -5
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Post by pollyq on Jul 11, 2023 15:25:24 GMT -5
Hi all, thought I'd pop into this thread as I've found a will that might be relevant to this Harvey research. Will + Inventory of Nicholas Harry, Yeoman of St Buryan. Ref No: DSB/44 Date: 1673 In the will (written 30 Jan 1671) Nicholas mentions his grandson Peter Harvey and his daughter Jane. At the time of the will, Peter is under the age of 21 years, so the baptism of Peter Harvey in 1662 at St Buryan would fit. No mention of father Martin Harvey in the will but his mother Jane gets all the rest and is executrix. However, one of the appraisors of the inventory is either a Martin Harry or Harvy, it's hard to make out. I think it might be a Harry. Martin Harry and his wife Anne baptised a Michall in 1655 at St Buryan. This could be a brother to Nicholas. Anyway, it would seem that Martin Harvey that baptised Peter at St Buryan in 1662 was married to Jane Harry. I have an interest in the Harveys of St Buryan as I descend from Samuel Harvey that left the will that Zibetha linked to. Samuel's son Richard Harvey married a Beaton at St Buryan in 1684 (possibly the Beaton Thomas of his father's will, but unsure) and Richard's son Samuel married Mary Bosustow in St Buryan in 1726. Their son John Harvey married Jane Thomas in 1757, and was recorded as John Harvey of Tregadgwith. I was able to piece together who was at Tregadgwith and when through the St Buryan Churchwardens' Accounts and Rates on FamilySearch here www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/526252?availability=Family%20History%20LibraryIt's a very interesting resource for those searching for St Buryan folk.
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Post by zibetha on Jul 12, 2023 1:23:57 GMT -5
Good to hear from you, PollyQ
I've read your post 6-8 times for starters. The Samuels and Richards that I couldn't sort out are falling into place for me now. Will dig into the references you've posted.
Cheers and thank you, Zib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 12, 2023 5:07:34 GMT -5
Thankyou and Good Work Polly! There is some ambiguity in the Will given Nicholas does not specify daughter Jane either as 'Harvey' or as 'widow'. The way it is written, especially in comparison with other Wills, suggests that Jane was a spinster daughter. It is the record of birth for Peter Harvey that provides the likely link and even that is not specific enough to be able to say with 100% conviction that the Peter Harvey of 1662 is the grandson of Nicholas Harvey. However, circumstantial evidence, including the population of St Buryan and names of persons found in other contemporary records, suggests there can be little doubt that the conclusion is correct as does the fact Martin Harvey was buried in 1665 leaving his wife Jane a widow. I am certainly updating my database to reflect this but wanted to point out the anomalies that restrict us to a maximum 99% certainty. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 12, 2023 7:11:56 GMT -5
A little more after having read the post again. Firstly the persons taking the Inventory were definitely Marten Harry and John Pearce. Marten Harry (involved in the Inventory) may have been a brother to Nicholas but I have doubts that he was the man married in 1655. In fact he could also have been a nephew or a cousin. Note that Nicholas Harry named only the following in his Will:- daughter Tamson Pearce (possibly wife of John Pearce involved in the Inventory) and her 'fower' children Ann Angillian (Nanjulian) who may have been a widowed sister wife Ann GRANDAUGHTER SARAH HARRY DAUGHTER IN LAW ANN HARRY Grandson Peter Harvey Daughter Jane to be Executor and residual legatee Note that there are no sons named which suggests that 'daughter in law' Ann Harry was a widow. And that then leads to the possibility that it was she who married Martin Harry at St Buryan in 1655. I have checked and daughter Michell/Mycoll was buried in 1656 but I have not been able to find a baptism for grandaughter Sarah Harry which suggests she was born prior to 1655. I think she was probably another daughter of Martin and Ann. The one complication is that I can find no burial for Martin unless he was the 'Martin son of Nicholas Harry' buried at Paul in 1660. That is possible except for the added complication of a Nicholas Harry marriage at Paul in 1638 to someone named Norah. It looks like baptisms for Paul prior to 1694 have not been transcribed and I know from experience that the earlier Paul records can be a real challenge with sections of some pages almost totally illegible. But I have managed to get into FamilySearch and found that there was a Martin baptised to Nicholas Harry at Paul in 1643 so that would seem to eliminate that option. AHA!!! I just found the solution to the problem!! That solution was just found in the Hoblyn Transcript for St Buryan which has led me to the actual entry in the St Buryan Parish Register:- 1656 - June the 8th Mycoll the daughter of Martin Harry deceased diedSo Martin Harry was deceased prior to the burial of his daughter which would now seem to support my theory above regarding 'daughter in law' Ann Harry and grandaughter Sarah. The issue now brings me back to that 1656 burial at St Buryan of 'Martin Harvie the elder'. I have not added that particular burial to my database because when I was last working on the Harvey family around Lands End (just a few months ago) I had not been able to resolve the problem of just who this Martin might have been. Hoblyn certainly transcribed the surname as HARVIE but the more I look at the image the more I read it as HARRIE. More to the point is the fact that I do not actually have a Martin Harvey candidate for this burial!! The only one who comes close is the Martin who wrote his Will 12th January 1651/2 leaving wife Jane and children Martin, Richard, Alice and Joan. But that Will was proved in the prerogative Court of Canterbury 19th June 1652 which is nearly four years before the burial in question. The key to the 1656 burial is in the handwriting and in particular how the letter 'r' was written. It actually looks very similar to a 'w' so the name Harry would like like Hawwy or, as in this case, Hawwie. The name Harvey/Harvie would therefore look more like Hawvy/Hawvey/Hawvie. I had to do some cutting and rewriting of some of the above when I realised I was about to involve a Martin Harvey froth the 1700s into the mix! Fortunately I realised the error in time!! So the 1656 burial is actually Martin HARRIE the elder which returns me to my point above regarding multiple Martin Harrys and the fact the person doing the Inventory may have been a younger relative. Note - one thing I have always found confusing with some of the early registers is that some Vicars used the terms 'borne' and 'died' when filling out the baptism and burial registers and in some cases had sequential entries for baptisms that were a mixture of 'borne' and 'baptised'. The Vicar at St Buryan was one such who used the terms 'borne' and 'died' for seemingly all baptism and burial events during this period. If these were actually births and deaths rather than baptisms and burials then Michall Harry would have been borne 10 months after her father died so I wonder now if I have been wrong in the past in taking those entries at face value. I am now treating all such entries as baptisms and burials. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 26, 2023 4:42:31 GMT -5
The previously mentioned Will of Nicholas Harry identifies Peter Harvey as his grandson and then goes on to name daughter 'Jane' as residual legatee and executrix. We know that Peter Harvey was born and baptised in 1662 with both the Sancreed Parish Register (birth of Peter recorded amongst the 1687 burials) and the St Buryan Parish Register 1662 baptisms recording the parents as 'Martin Harvye and Jane his wife'. I did mention in an earlier post that the Will was ambiguous with regards to the marital status of daughter Jane but I can point out two items of interest:- 1. there were no further children recorded for Martin Harvey 2. Martin Harvey was buried at St Buryan 2nd December 1665 3. The Will of Nicholas Harvey was written when grandson Peter would have been about 9 years old and his daughter had been widowed for six years Nicholas simply may have not felt the need to identify his daughter as a widow especially has his previous request had been to grandson Peter Harvey. And now I have finally found something to add ................. the MARRIAGE RECORD for Martin Harvey and Jane Harry!! (Bear in mind that this was a period during which the Vicar at St Buryan was rather haphazard when it came to entering the surnames of brides. In 1661 for example there were eight marriages yet only twice was the surname of the bride entered!) This marriage has been 'hiding in plain sight' all the time and can be find in Phillimore - Martin LARAYE & Jane 23 Nov 1661I found this record by accident whilst searching for another Harvey baptism in the St Buryan Parish Register. It was the last part of the surname that caught my eye - VYE. I check Phillimore and then took a closer look at the original where it is obvious there is some wear and fading on the page. When compared with similar looking capital letters on the page the first letter of the groom's surname could be misinterpreted as a capital 'L' as transcribed in Phillimore but the last three characters are most definitely 'vye'. During the time-period in question the capital letters L and H were very similar in appearance with the difference being a longish loop below when the letter 'H' was written. It is that loop that is worn or rubbed away in this case. The entry actually reads:- St Buryan Parish Register - Marriages - 1661 Martin Harvye was married unto Jane his wife the 23rd day of NovemberCT
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