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Post by grose on Aug 31, 2022 8:02:18 GMT -5
S funny enough I just received their marriage certificate copy so weird Tracy
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Post by grose on Sept 1, 2022 4:05:41 GMT -5
Hi Trace and Welcome to Penwith Genealogy. Ernest Grose was born in the March Qtr of 1869 at Penzance and baptised privately at Penzance St Mary 11th March 1870 son of Nicholas Grose, a hatter, and Elizabeth Penaluna Grose nee Eddy who were married at Gulval 24th July 1842. He was the youngest of 11 children. Annie Jane Trewhella Uren was born 14th February 1870 at Ludgvan and baptised 25th February 1872 at Towednack, Cornwall, daughter of William Uren and Kitty Trewhella who married 7th July 1869 at Lelant. I am not yet sure what happened but it appears William and Kitty Uren must have separated somewhere around the time their third child, Katie, was born. She was baptised 8th March 1879 at Gulval. But it appears that William also had an illegitimate daughter, Edith Uren Matthews, who was born at Madron 8th February 1879 and baptised 2nd October 1879!! I still don't know what happened to William Uren but Kitty (nee Trewhella) came out to Australia. She died at Glen Innes, NSW 9th February 1912. CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Sept 2, 2022 7:59:15 GMT -5
Hi Trace and Welcome to Penwith Genealogy. Ernest Grose was born in the March Qtr of 1869 at Penzance and baptised privately at Penzance St Mary 11th March 1870 son of Nicholas Grose, a hatter, and Elizabeth Penaluna Grose nee Eddy who were married at Gulval 24th July 1842. He was the youngest of 11 children. Annie Jane Trewhella Uren was born 14th February 1870 at Ludgvan and baptised 25th February 1872 at Towednack, Cornwall, daughter of William Uren and Kitty Trewhella who married 7th July 1869 at Lelant. I am not yet sure what happened but it appears William and Kitty Uren must have separated somewhere around the time their third child, Katie, was born. She was baptised 8th March 1879 at Gulval. But it appears that William also had an illegitimate daughter, Edith Uren Matthews, who was born at Madron 8th February 1879 and baptised 2nd October 1879!! I still don't know what happened to William Uren but Kitty (nee Trewhella) came out to Australia. She died at Glen Innes, NSW 9th February 1912. CT I did a little work on this a few years ago, and its possibly buried somewhere on this site. William Uren did come to Australia and I last located him in Torrington, Tenterfield, NSW in October 1904. In 1938 Katie Uren (later Mrs George Carter) provided some information about her sisters (including Annie Jane Trewhella Uren) to "The Cornishman". I have a PDF of the page if anyone is interested. From the information I have the marriage of William & Kitty survived the infidelity, at least until 1895 TPP
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 2, 2022 10:33:36 GMT -5
Now, that IS interesting! The reason it is interesting is because Torrington is where William Uren's brother-in-law John Trewhella was living from at least 1887 in which year he was married at nearby Emmaville to Elizabeth Jane Angove. John and Elizabeth Jane had 11 children all born in Torrington between 1887 and 1906 and John was buried there in 1917. And Torrington is not a great distance from Glen Innes where John's sister (and William Uren's wife) died in 1912. And yes, I would certainly be interested in a copy of the .pdf information please. CT
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Post by tenpoundpom on Sept 3, 2022 3:50:39 GMT -5
Now, that IS interesting! The reason it is interesting is because Torrington is where William Uren's brother-in-law John Trewhella was living from at least 1887 in which year he was married at nearby Emmaville to Elizabeth Jane Angove. John and Elizabeth Jane had 11 children all born in Torrington between 1887 and 1906 and John was buried there in 1917. And Torrington is not a great distance from Glen Innes where John's sister (and William Uren's wife) died in 1912. And yes, I would certainly be interested in a copy of the .pdf information please. CT Here's the thread from a few years ago azazella.proboards.com/thread/2523/william-uren-married-kitty-trewhellaI'll send the pdf copy of the newspaper report by email. I know you were not quite convinced at the time that the William Uren I identified in Torrington was Kitty (Kate) Trewhella's husband, but here's another tidbit. John Trewhella and William Uren were elected common trustees for Deepwater on Jan 30 1907. Found on Trove in a newspaper report from the Tenterfield intercolonial courier
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 3, 2022 9:30:48 GMT -5
I had forgotten those conversations and certainly had not read them for quite some time but yes, I was sceptical given the name 'William Uren' was not exactly rare. But thanks to your perseverence there is now proof this William Uren was the husband of Kitty so all scepticism is gone. That is what this forum is about - helping each other find correct solutions to problems along with, wherever possible, evidence to support those conclusions. Discovering what ultimately happened to William Uren would seem to be the main problem now. So far I have not been able to find him in NSW or Qld after 1910 although it is possible that may be an issue with however his name may have been spelt in NSW records. CT
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Post by zibetha on Sept 3, 2022 22:03:45 GMT -5
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 4, 2022 4:38:38 GMT -5
Thanks Zib - I did have that information but what I found today was that Kitty Uren was owner and or licensee of the Hotel at Torrington at one point. TPP in an email today mentioned a book called 'Old Torrington' which I just happened to have on my bookshelf (but had forgotten about!) and that piece of information was included. Also mentioned in the book under the subject of the various mines in the area was a Wolfram mine called - WILD KATE AND UREN'S WORKINGS worked by the Edith Mining Company. (I don't know if 'Wild Kate' refers to Kitty but I would suspect it may have done! : CT
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Post by grose on Sept 24, 2022 8:21:17 GMT -5
Thanks for info Spike. Please let me know if there is anything else you come across Regards Tracy
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