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Post by kiwichick on May 7, 2021 20:31:47 GMT -5
After a little hunt and sorting I think I found the new line of Joseph George who married Anne Nicholas. (trying to head away from the line that connect him to Richard George and Rebecca Nicholas as per Family Search) Cornish Terrier kindly pointed out the death date and age would make Joseph born 1761  Joseph born 1761 Crowan to parents Joseph George and Elizabeth Jenkyn. Then Joseph born abt 1731 Sennen, parents Joseph and Margery. Elizabeth Jenkyn as above born 1737 Sennen to Stephen Jenkyn and Margary Symons What do you think of these findings? More on the right direction now? |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 7, 2021 23:03:24 GMT -5
Yes, that is exactly how I see it at the moment. Moving on beyond Joseph and Margery may present a problem though. I have not yet managed to find a marriage for Joseph and Margery and there is nothing so far that might give a clue to their origins or Margery's maiden name. It may be a long and frustrating hunt but I am sure there will be a clue out there somewhere.  CT |
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Post by kiwichick on May 7, 2021 23:17:42 GMT -5
Three children for Joseph and Margery.
Not sure if twins as both christened on the same day, Joseph and Margery 1731 6 Dec, Sennen and one more son William 10 Dec 1733. I can't find much more. Their marriage must of been abt 1725/30
Margaret or Marjorie may be another name for Margery.
I do believe you are correct with this line thank you.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 8, 2021 15:10:27 GMT -5
And you probably should add:-
Olivia daughter of Joseph George baptised 26th December 1730 at Sennen
Dorothy daughter of Joseph George baptised 27th December 1735 at Sennen
Mary daughter of Joseph George baptised 12th January 1738 at Sennen
CT
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Post by kiwichick on May 8, 2021 17:44:38 GMT -5
Thank yo very much. Added to my extra line of George's.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 9, 2021 0:14:38 GMT -5
I would suggest that rather than simply accepting that information as 'fact' you should spend some time searching available resources for yourself just to make sure one way or another whether you are completely happy. Check to see whether there might be another Joseph George who might be responsible for those children for example. And move forward to see if you can find what happened to them regards to possible marriages and burials. If any of them married and had children did they use names for those children that might help verify their parents? Always best to check things for yourself ..... regardless of the source!  CT |
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Post by kiwichick on May 9, 2021 15:42:36 GMT -5
Yes I have been checking with OPC, Census etc. I have split Joseph George into two families, still keeping first line of research, and added additional parent relationship to him.
There does seem to be two different lines of Georges in Penwith. The first one which I thought was my Joseph "son of Richard". and the second Joseph who's age is the better fit "son of Joseph".
Story of the George Brothers (If my side) As my Ann during 1841 didn't have money, and her husband was a Labourer before death 1840.
The George brothers lived in Sennen Cove.
The story goes that the first two, Joseph and John George, the eldest members of the GEORGE family, were concerned in a smuggling venture with the owner of the inn, one Dionysius Williams.[ who wasn't then] Joseph and his wife Ann GEORGE ran the inn and refused to pay the rent to their landlord, as they had something on him. ie they had smuggled his goods
Her husband, Joseph George, had been his agent. Dionysius eventually threw them out for non-payment of rent and Ann George, in a fit of rage, turned King's Evidence and shopped Dionysius to the Revenue Men. circa 1804.
I presume both she and her husband had got immunity from prosecution when they accused Dionsyius and she "reaped her revenge in seing the latter served with a long term of imprisonment" - A K Hamilton Jenkin in
'Cornwall and its People'.
In another legal brief in 1805, where she again turns King's Evidence, a Christopher Pollard is accused of running a valuable, cargo into Sennen. Ann George is the principal witness for the prosecution. The brief describes her former 'evidence' against Dionysius Williams and the council attempts to discredit her, by recounting her notorious character and her past record.
As well as the above case the defence quotes another case, in which she quarreled with her brother in law, John GEORGE , over some tobacco deal and had shopped him to the authorities, accusing him of firing on a revenue officer.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 10, 2021 0:41:22 GMT -5
I have Hamilton-Jenkin's book on my shelf here somewhere ..... I might have to drag it out and have a read one day! |
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Post by kiwichick on May 10, 2021 14:54:17 GMT -5
That might be a interesting read. Something to enjoy I would say.
I was looking at christening records yesterday and the only child that shows father's occupation is Stephen George 1813. Joseph is a Thacther.
Another marriage the same year as our Joseph and Ann. 5 June 1798 Joseph George and Ann Avery married at Marker, he was working on the Ship HMS Nymph.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on May 11, 2021 0:55:48 GMT -5
That would be MAKER which is on the Rame Peninsula at the head of the Tamar River and opposite Plymouth.
This Joseph could also be another West Cornishman but you would need to try and find him in the 1851 Census, if he were still alive and in England, to be sure. If he was a Navy man then you might find something in FamilySearch of Ancestry military collections.
CT
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Post by kiwichick on May 11, 2021 15:49:43 GMT -5
Oh just to throw another spanner in the works, one of my cousins said about this line.
Day Month 05-Nov
Year 1767
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Kew, St.
Forename Joseph
Surname GEORGE
Sex son
Age Or Date Of Birth
Father Forename Joseph
Mother Forename Barbara
This Joseph died 1850 at bodmin workhouse.He is alone in the same workhouse in 1841 census so it wouldn't conflict with either of the census records we have for Ann.
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Post by donne on May 22, 2021 12:40:16 GMT -5
Another marriage the same year as our Joseph and Ann. 5 June 1798 Joseph George and Ann Avery married at Marker, he was working on the Ship HMS Nymph. This Joseph gets a brief mention in Discovery catalogue of The National Archives, as follows: Reference: ADM 27/5/240 Description: Joseph George; Ship's name: HMS Nymphe; Pay book number: SB 106; Rank: Able Seaman; Relation: Wife Ann; When Allotted: 1799; Remarks: Discharged sick quarters. |
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Post by gmills692002 on Jun 10, 2021 15:15:36 GMT -5
Hi, my name is George Mills. My first name is after my mother's maiden name which is George. My grandad was Douglas james George and his father was John George. It appears John Hartley George was from Penzance and married olive may Williams. Then he moved to London and met my great grandmother and settled there. Johns dad was also John and he married dorcus George who seems to be a George before marriage. It seems most of my family is from Cornwall and I was unaware and would be interested to be able to meet up with any of them or anyone with more information on the Georges. As there seems there where many and I am proud of my name. Thanks in advance for anyone with more information.
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Post by londoner on Jun 11, 2021 3:16:43 GMT -5
Dorcas George was born 1876 in Sennen, daughter of Matthew and Eliza (nee Veal) and died in 1929. Cornwall opc has good coverage for Sennen and you should be able to untangle the George family, although there are a lot of Johns.
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