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Post by gordon163 on Feb 1, 2021 12:19:06 GMT -5
I am trying to identify William Maddren, born around 1580. He was married to Jone and they had several children baptised at Sancreed between 1609 and 1623 (inclusive).
His father could possibly be Nicholas.
Any help much appreciated.
Thanks,
Gordon
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 1, 2021 18:24:59 GMT -5
Welcome to the site Gordon. The chances of identifying parents for anyone that early are not particularly good. Parish Registers came into use from 1538 with many Parishes not beginning to use them until sometimes decades later. Many of those early registers also did not survive or, if they did, were water-damaged or became fragmented and barely if at all readable. For the West of Cornwall St Erth is the only Parish that immediately springs to mind with registers surviving prior to 1600 but for the most part those are unreadable. Perhaps your only real chance of identifying family for your William Maddren might be through Wills if any for the family survive or through property deeds that might be held at the Cornwall Record Office providing also that they too survived. One other possible source might be Vivian's Visitations but that would depend on the family having registered a Coat of Arms. CT
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Post by donne on Feb 3, 2021 4:34:11 GMT -5
Judging by the transcriptions on the Cornwall OPC site, Sancreed does seem to be a parish where the early registers have survived, at least in transcript, though the published images on FamilySearch seem to be all 19th century registers. The only other list of 16th century men which I can think of are the muster rolls. Cornwall OPC has a transcript of the Sancreed muster roll dated to 1569. This is probably a bit early for investigating a 1580 birth but, for what it's worth, there are two men with names similar to MADDREN: Thomas MADREN and Willm. MADER. The Sancreed OPC maintains a very good site with a comprehensive summary of the parish records and the muster roll can be found at sancreedopccornwall.tripod.com/id57.html .
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Post by donne on Feb 3, 2021 5:12:41 GMT -5
Judging by the transcriptions on the Cornwall OPC site, Sancreed does seem to be a parish where the early registers have survived, at least in transcript, though the published images on FamilySearch seem to be all 19th century registers. The only other list of 16th century men which I can think of are the muster rolls. Cornwall OPC has a transcript of the Sancreed muster roll dated to 1569. This is probably a bit early for investigating a 1580 birth but, for what it's worth, there are two men with names similar to MADDREN: Thomas MADREN and Willm. MADER. The Sancreed OPC maintains a very good site with a comprehensive summary of the parish records and the muster roll can be found at sancreedopccornwall.tripod.com/id57.html . I note there are two references in the Discovery catalogue at The National Archives website, mentioning a John MADDERNE and Sancreed and which date to the late 16th century. These are both regarding cases (property disputes) brought to the Court of Chancery. These are cat. ref. C 2/Eliz/M8/21 (Madderne v. Olyver) and cat. ref. C 2/Eliz/M15/22 (Madderne v. Dotson), unfortunately not digitised. I have found this type of document useful in working out family relationships since they often discuss leases and inheritance, as well as shedding some light on a family's circumstances.
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Post by trencrom on Feb 5, 2021 10:16:36 GMT -5
The Exeter BTs for Sancreed date from 1596. You may find something about the family therein, although probably not the parentage of William on the dates that you have supplied. He may of course have come from another, nearby parish. A John Madern was the first mayor of Penzance in 1614. Another potential source would be subsidy records for the parish, but the problem here is that I don't think that the late 16th century-early 17th century subsidy records for Sancreed have been published. The originals I believe will be at the PRO. Trencrom
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Post by myghaelangof on Feb 18, 2021 12:18:56 GMT -5
I've picked up a few Madderne's in St Just parish circa 1589, most interestingly is William Madderne, a married man, with a son John. They lived at Trevedra which is as near to Sancreed as St Just. Close by at Brea Vaire is Thomas Madderne, married, with daughter Constance. By 1592/93 just William is listed, and by 1595 it is "Willm Maddern's wife" (not widow?). John Madderne appears to have left the parish, either buried or moved.
Also in the 1569 Muster Roll for the parish of Madderne (Madron) is Willm Madderne with his "bow sh. arr" It was not an uncommon name (William, or Madderne) so there could be more hiding away in the annals of history'
Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence All the best, Mike
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