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Post by johnford on Dec 16, 2020 20:19:51 GMT -5
Samuel Cornish is a distant relative.
His son, Richard Cornish, arrived in Australia on the "Norfolk' on 28 July 1862. He became manager of a large mine in Ballarat and was given six months leave to 'visit his old country' in 1902. He came back to Australia and died 1906.
Richard Cornish was born 26 May 1844 at Trebollance, Breage. His parents are Samuel Cornish and Elizabeth Carter.
In the 1841 census Samuel Cornish and Elizabeth Carter are recorded as living at Hendra Croft in Breage. Samuel is recorded as working as a tin Miner.
In the 1951 census Elizabeth Cornish is living as 'pauper at home' which probably means Samuel Cornish is now deceased.
Richard Cornish is recorded as six years of age at the time of the 1851 census which is consistent with his birth record. He is the youngest of the family.
It would therefore appear that Samuel Cornish died between 1841 and 1844 but I can find no record on the PRO of his death.
I am wondering if anyone can assist me in locating Samuel Cornish's death.
Thank you
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 17, 2020 0:37:10 GMT -5
I am not quite sure how you calculate that Samuel Cornish must have died between 1841 and 1844. In 1841 Samuel gave his age as 25 but as the 1841 Census only required that the age be rounded 'down' to the nearest 5 for adults (persons age 15 and over) then Samuel would have been born somewhere in the period from 1810-1816. Samuel appeared in the 1841 Census but did not appear in 1851 therefore his death probably occurred between those two dates and as Richard was born in May 1844 Samuel must have died sometime between about September 1843 and the date the 1851 Census was taken. It is also worth noting that in the 1851 Census the family was living at Mill Pool in Germoe with Germoe also being recorded as the place of birth for a number of the children including Richard. From the Cornwall OPC and the Breage Parish Register:- Samuel Cornish of Germoe age 40 buried 15th December 1850 at BreageTherefore your Samuel Cornish was probably the following:- Samuel son of Thomas and Susannah Cornish baptised 11th November 1810 at GermoeCT
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Post by zibetha on Dec 17, 2020 0:50:23 GMT -5
Greetings, John Ford, I am still working my through a number of Carter branches, but I would suggest Elizabeth's husband was the one whose death was registered in the Helston District 4th Quarter of 1850. A Samuel Cornish of Germoe, age 40, was buried at Breage on December 15th 1850. That record is on Family Search but brings up something entirely different. An indexing mistake, I suspect. There are 1500 records to sort through, but I am not sure it is the correct film. Here is the OPC link: cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=1370702Elizabeth perhaps died in 1861? Zib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 17, 2020 1:19:20 GMT -5
A little more to add to my last .... Because you had, for some reason, mistakenly identified 1841-1844 as the period during which Samuel Cornish must have died it means that you also missed the fact that there was another child after Richard. The birth of Susanna Cornish (mother's maiden name Carter) was registered in the December Qtr of 1850 and the Germoe Parish Register shows her baptism as follows:- Susanna Coomb daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Cornish of Germoe, miner, baptised 2nd March 1851And then from the Breage Parish Register:- The baptismal name of Susanna confirms that Samuel was baptised at Germoe in 1810 to Thomas Cornish and Susanna Coon who were married at Breage 18th November 1798. Susanna was 'of St Stphen's' when she married which would indicate she is the Susanna Coon baptised at St Stephen in Brannel in 1776 to Thomas and Susanna Coon. CT
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Post by johnford on Dec 17, 2020 4:57:20 GMT -5
I am not quite sure how you calculate that Samuel Cornish must have died between 1841 and 1844. CT Indeed .. neither do I. The correct dates are 1844 and 1851.
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Post by johnford on Dec 17, 2020 4:59:42 GMT -5
Greetings, John Ford, I am still working my through a number of Carter branches, but I would suggest Elizabeth's husband was the one whose death was registered in the Helston District 4th Quarter of 1850. A Samuel Cornish of Germoe, age 40, was buried at Breage on December 15th 1850. That record is on Family Search but brings up something entirely different. An indexing mistake, I suspect. There are 1500 records to sort through, but I am not sure it is the correct film. Here is the OPC link: cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=1370702Elizabeth perhaps died in 1861? Zib Thank you. I have also found that death but Samuel's age at death (40) is inconsistent with the 1841 census record where he is recorded as aged 25. I have sent four a copy of this death from PRO.
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Post by johnford on Dec 17, 2020 5:15:02 GMT -5
A little more to add to my last .... Because you had, for some reason, mistakenly identified 1841-1844 as the period during which Samuel Cornish must have died it means that you also missed the fact that there was another child after Richard. The birth of Susanna Cornish (mother's maiden name Carter) was registered in the December Qtr of 1850 and the Germoe Parish Register shows her baptism as follows:- Susanna Coomb daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Cornish of Germoe, miner, baptised 2nd March 1851And then from the Breage Parish Register:- The baptismal name of Susanna confirms that Samuel was baptised at Germoe in 1810 to Thomas Cornish and Susanna Coon who were married at Breage 18th November 1798. Susanna was 'of St Stphen's' when she married which would indicate she is the Susanna Coon baptised at St Stephen in Brannel in 1776 to Thomas and Susanna Coon. CT Thank you for the information. Could you direct me to the source for the birth and Susanna Coomb daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Cornish 1851 please.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 17, 2020 5:24:35 GMT -5
As I said in my original post the age of adults as recorded in the 1841 Census did not need to be accurate. Any person of the age of 15 or over was required only to round their age DOWN to the nearest 5 years. This was not compulsory as many people actually gave their correct age however in the case of Samuel he would actually have been age 30 or perhaps 31 at the time of that Census. His age was indeed rounded down!! CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 17, 2020 5:26:54 GMT -5
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Post by johnford on Dec 17, 2020 5:28:49 GMT -5
As I said in my original post the age of adults as recorded in the 1841 Census did not need to be accurate. Any person of the age of 15 or over was required only to round their age DOWN to the nearest 5 years. This was not compulsory as many people actually gave their correct age however in the case of Samuel he would actually have been age 30 or perhaps 31 at the time of that Census. His age was indeed rounded down!! CT Thank you .. local knowledge is always helpfully.
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Post by johnford on Dec 17, 2020 5:30:15 GMT -5
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