Interested in the Hawes Family - Penzance/Uny Lelant

[nosynora23]

Hi,

I am Interested in the Hawes family as they are direct ancestors of my husband. I have been given this information by another family member but having looked into it am not sure this is right?? as I cannot find a birth registration for Richard Hawes c. 1800-1856 and the further back I look I don't think the dates don't add up 
So this is where I'm at.....

Thomas Charles Howes 1879-1957 (husbands great grandfather) m. Mary Bray/Magor 1872-1946 (husbands great grandmother)

I have TCH 1879-1957 parents as being
Thomas Howes 1849-1935 m. Emmalina May 1855-1897

And TH 1849-1935 parents as being
Richard Hawes c.1800-1856 m. Elizabeth Elliott c.1803

And I have RH c.1800-1856 parents as being
William Hawes c. 1760-? m. Catherine Thomas 1760-?

And WH c. 1760-? parents as being 
Thomas Hawes 1721-1776 m. Mary Love 1726-1767

And TH 1721-1776 parents as being
Thomas Hawes 1687-1733 m. Mary Shakerley 1691-1760

And TH 1687-1733 parents as being
William Hawes 1655-1728 m. Joan Thurleby 1667-1728

And WH 1655-1728 parents as being 
William Hawes 1623-1683 m. Anne Kelway 1625-1683 (2nd marriage I think?)

Has anyone previously looked at this family? am I on the right track? The name Christian Honiball has also come up and I'm not sure where she fits into all of this??
Any thoughts would be greatly received  

Thanks, NosyNora23 

[Cornish Terrier]

I have a little of this family in my database so can help with a couple of details. But I have not tried to trace the family forward and therefore do not have the marriage of Thomas and Emmalina and I have also not tried to trace the family before William and Catherine.

What I can tell you is that Richard Hawes was baptised at Penzance 4th May 1804 (recorded in the Madron Parish Register) and recorded as son of 'William Hawis'.

Richard's parents, William Hawes and Catherine Thomas, were married at Madron 29th July 1787 (Madron Parish Register)

CT

[nosynora23]

Hi Cornish Terrier,
Thanks for the reply I'll keep looking as I'm sure I'm on the right path 

I can provide some info on the family going forwards 

Thomas Howes, Feb 1849 (Penzance) - 25 Mar 1935 (Falmouth) <Parents> Richard Hawes 1804 - Oct 1856
m. Emmalina May, c. 1855 (St Feock) - 22 Ju 1897 (Falmouth) <Parents> John May, 1805 - 1874 & Mary Jane Trebilicock 1829 - 1901 
   c. Richard John Howes, 1878 - 1927
      Thomas Charles Howes, May 1879 - Feb 1957
      William Henry Howes, 1881 - c. Aug 1948, Bap - 10 Sept
      Sidney Howes, c. Aug 1883 - c.Aug 1883
      Elizabeth Anne Howes, 1844 - c. Aug 1945,  Bap - 12 Sept
      Joseph Frederick Howes, 1897 - c. Aug 1945, Bap - 24 Jan
      Mary Jane Howes, 1890 - c. 1958, Bap - 21 Apr
      Nicholas James Howes, 1892 - c. 1958
      Francis Sidney Howes, Sept 1894 - 1920, Bap 29 May 
      Laura Victoria Howes, May 1897 - Feb 1898

Thomas Charles Howes, 1879 - 1957 (Falmouth)
m. Mary Bray/Magor, 1872 (Merther Tydfil) - Nov 1946 (Falmouth), Married 29 May 1912 (2nd Marriage)
   c. Agnes Mary Eleanor Hilda Howes 13 Jul 1912 (Falmouth) - Sept 2002 (Bristol)
      Ralph Howes 6 Oct 1914 - ?

Mary Bary/Magor 1872 - 1946
m. William Thomas Magor 1871 - 1910, Married 03 Apr 1894 (1st Marriage)
   c. Violet M Magor, 1893 - ?
      Simon Thomas Magor, 1898 - ?
       Lily Maud Magor, 1901 - ?
      Dorothy Emilina Howes, 1905 - ?, Bap 18 Dec
      Beatrice H Howes, 1907 - ?, Bap 15 Oct
      Ruby Howes, 1910 - ?, Bap 18 May

Agnes Mary Eleanor Hilda Howes 1912 - 2002
m. Frederick George Bullen (Chatham, Kent/Falmouth) 20 Dec 1909 - Feb 1991 (Bristol), Married 1931
   c. Walter Charles Bullen, 4 Nov 1932 - ?
       Frederick George, 16 Jan 1934 - Deceased
       Gordon Ralph Bullen, 5 Sept 1935 - ?
       Eleanor Mary Bullen, 1937 - ?
       Alfred Thomas Bullen, 14 Feb 1938 - ?
       Lily Agnes Bullen, 15 May 1939 - ?
       Margaret Lollita Bullen, 1941 - ?
       Rosemary Dawn Bullen, 15 Oct 1943 - Deceased
       Cynthia Bullen, 6 Mar 1945 - ? (husbands mother)
       Richard Bullen, 23 May 1947 - ?
       Patricia Kathlyn Bullen, 20 Jul 1949 - ?
       Robert Edward Bullen, 1949 - ?
       James Bullen, 1951 - ?
       Carol Ann Bullen, 15 Oct 1953 - ?

Hope this is useful, NosyNora23 

[trencrom]

Oct 24, 2020 10:39:49 GMT -5 nosynora23 said:

Thomas Hawes 1721-1776 m. Mary Love 1726-1767

And TH 1721-1776 parents as being
Thomas Hawes 1687-1733 m. Mary Shakerley 1691-1760

And TH 1687-1733 parents as being
William Hawes 1655-1728 m. Joan Thurleby 1667-1728

And WH 1655-1728 parents as being
William Hawes 1623-1683 m. Anne Kelway 1625-1683 (2nd marriage I think?)


Thanks, NosyNora23 

This is much the same as how I have these generations, but I have Mary Shakerley dying in 1755, not 1760 (which latter year was instead when her will was proved). The first William was buried in March of 1683, as per the then calendar, but it was March of 1684 in our modern reckoning. Likewise Joan Thurleby was christened in February of 1667 per the old reckoning, and i February 1668 as per the modern calendar.

I would be questioning the claimed years of birth of 1655 and 1623 for the two Williams. I don't think that we have any data that permits us to say what either of their years of birth were. The record of William senior's marriage to Ann is in the Lelant BTs in such a position as to indicate that the marriage took place in the early 1670s, too late for her to have been the mother of William junior. You will find further information about this in the Hawes family section of Kathie's "Cornish Genealogy database"; also check for anything relevant in the Lelant section of this board.

Trencrom

[nosynora23]

thanks for the reply will look more closely at this