Post by myghaelangof on Dec 24, 2016 5:59:39 GMT -5
Merry Christmas all. I've been following this thread on and off, and reading up on DNA testing. However I am confused by it all. There appear to be many different types of test, with results that give specific, or general, results. I read somewhere that Cornish is banded in with Iberian, or as speculated above, they could well be linked. My own results may well show Iberian with Philip Le Santo who turns up in East Cornwall circa 1760, my ancestor by 2 females and 3 males. I would appreciate if anyone can simplify the types of test, and benefit. Then I might take the plunge. I have Penwith lines back to the 1500's on paper, including Dennis who married Angove in 1854 and Bonetto who married Angove in 1826. Many thanks Mike.
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It is a choice. My test was a gift from a cousin who has links to Cornwall, but that is not how he and I connect. As a woman, autosomal testing would have been the way to go anyway, and I would have opted for the Ancestry DNA test. I am looking for Cornish and English connections and the database is what I need. The results have been incredible. My connection to my great-grandfather has now been confirmed by 138 DNA matches.(Very grateful to Cousin Jeff who mailed me the test!) Ce Ce Moore and Blaine Bettinger have websites that have helped me understand how this stuff works.
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I would recommend taking a test. For information you will gain or for those you come after you. I had no idea how much information I would gain. Family Tree DNA offers storage an update options, and Ancestry.com lets you download your results which you can upload to Gedmatch.com for free or FTDNA at nominal cost. Just do it!
The results are worth it. I forgot to mention that I took advantage of My Heritage's website's offer for a free upload. I have a linear tree there that helps me connect with my father's side of the family. I am doing well on the paper side of this. The beta-testing was bad-- I had 475 DNA matches and could only confirm one. They have re-calibrated, and I now have three "not recommended" DNA matches. My point is that my original Ancestry test opened windows like this to me.
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Post by citroenlady on Dec 26, 2016 21:28:02 GMT -5
Just for the record the "Spanish genes" folklore was passed down in my family, too, on the Keverne side (who originated from St. Keverne.) I never heard it from any other branch, though, and I'm about as Cornish as it's possible to be!
I've never given much credit to the Spanish Armada stories. In all the accounts I've read, the majority of the wrecks were caused by storms and occurred mostly off the coasts of Scotland and Ireland as the remains of the Armada circled the British Isles. The first engagement in the English Channel didn't occur until the Armada had reached Plymouth, past Cornwall, although it was first sited off the Lizard. My father's family tended to have dark curly hair and the surname Donne/ Dunn and its variants is often said to denote a dark or swarthy complexion so I have pondered on the Spanish connection. However, since the family were established in Camborne well before the Armada I would assume that the Iberian connection, if any, would have been by normal trading links.
Your post has prompted me to take another look at my known relatives with Cornish ancestry who have done DNA tests. Only 2 show no Iberian peninsula results -- this is based on Ancestry's analysis. The intriguing thing was one Mitchell cousin whose ethnicity results indicated Iberian as first most. His father was Italian.
Still working on what this all means, and I am no scientist.
Personally I don't think that there would be a lot of Spanish blood, per se, in the native Cornish. England and Spain were, after all, warring powers for many years (not just at the time of the Armada) so it is not likely that there would have been much if any Spanish blood coming into the local Cornish population. Furthermore I would imagine that any Spanish genes inherited through what Cornish-Spanish unions may have occurred would, unless they were unusually dominant genes, then have disappeared after a couple of generations as the descendants of such unions intermarried with successive generations of other Cornish folk.
Not all Celtic people are automatically fair-skinned and/or red headed! If you go to south Wales you will find many dark-haired people there. Welsh folk though are a Celtic people.
Perhaps the explanation for evident similarities is not that "Spanish" people came to Cornwall, but rather that there were other Celtic peoples living in the Iberian peninsula from an early stage -- which indeed there were -- and that some Celtic blood still flows today in a section of what we would now call the Spanish population.
Ancestry has published new ethnicity estimations with more specific areas. For me, some make sense and others do not. The big thing I noticed is that my Iberian peninsula category is now gone. Is anyone else seeing the same?