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Post by gandolf on Apr 3, 2016 15:46:36 GMT -5
In my case, according to Ancestry I have a mere 3% Iberian peninsula. Other than "British" or "Irish" I can't see any clear indication of my Cornish roots.
Ancestry makes me around 54% Irish (not surprising considering my recent ancestors), but in the details on their process of data analysis they point out that on average Irish natives have around 8% Iberian.
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Post by spikeharwood on Apr 6, 2016 3:37:33 GMT -5
Re Iberian ethnicity, I have just been reading on the FTDNA website about the Cornwall Y-DNA project.
Their results to date suggest that Cornish men who have a direct unbroken male Cornish line show large amounts of R-DF27 which is usually regarded as Hispanic possibly 'demonstrating the presence of an early "Atlantic culture" with heavy trading interchange of metals and grains.'
Got my doubts about offloading this amount of DNA through trading. More likely to have been early migration and settlement.
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Post by muz on Jun 8, 2016 17:46:59 GMT -5
G'morning - Your 2008 comment citing your grandmother Susie Josephine Quick's belief that you might have Spanish blood in your 'Quick' family possibly dating back to the 1588 Armada is extremely interesting! It's just that my 5th great grandmother was also a 'Quick' from St Ives -(Ann Quick b1749 d1794 married Richard Baragwanath). We have also been handed down the SAME family rumor - i.e. that we stem from Spanish sailors who may have ship-wrecked in the St Ives area but unsure whether they were from the main armada fleet on their homeward sailing or subsequent smaller armadas that equally failed, or possibly simply a 'lonely' Spanish sailor trading pilchards/tin/olives etc between Spain and St Ives... My brother and I both have strong Spanish appearances! Any thoughts - any relation to your St Ives Quicks?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 23:58:58 GMT -5
Good morning Muz
I think you need to look further back. During the last ice age the UK as we know it was a desolate area unfit for human habitation. While that was happening people were sheltering in warmer areas such as the Basque refuge. Once the warming started the people started to move and the UK started to become populated again. The question you need to have answered is what group of people do you belong to ... because maybe way back then you, or your ancestors, were Spanish?
The way to answer that is for you to have your DNA tested to establish your haplogroup and thereby your common ancestor - after that you can read up on the many genetic migration studies which will show you how your haplogroup moved from their original home out across Europe.
You may think you look very Spanish, but it could always be that the Spanish look very Cornish.... depends on which route they took....
Karlan
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Post by spikeharwood on Jun 12, 2016 4:30:44 GMT -5
I agree with Kaplan, the DNA testing is the way to go. No point speculating when the evidence might only be a cheek scrape away. (Oh, and a hew hundred dollars;)) A few of us on here have had the atDNA tests and had our relationship proven against the paper trail we already had in place.
I'm looking now to have my Y-DNA done (no Cornish there) and my mitochondrial DNA tested (95% Cornish).
From a DNA (Aust) Group Facebook page, if anyone is interested. "FTDNA has also announced that their Father's Day Sale will commence next Thursday, with specials on Y-DNA tests. They haven't announced the prices yet, but probably the usual US$30 off plus discounts on upgrades."
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Post by Isambard on Jun 13, 2016 12:09:56 GMT -5
G'morning - Your 2008 comment citing your grandmother Susie Josephine Quick's belief that you might have Spanish blood in your 'Quick' family possibly dating back to the 1588 Armada is extremely interesting! It's just that my 5th great grandmother was also a 'Quick' from St Ives -(Ann Quick b1749 d1794 married Richard Baragwanath). We have also been handed down the SAME family rumor - i.e. that we stem from Spanish sailors who may have ship-wrecked in the St Ives area but unsure whether they were from the main armada fleet on their homeward sailing or subsequent smaller armadas that equally failed, or possibly simply a 'lonely' Spanish sailor trading pilchards/tin/olives etc between Spain and St Ives... My brother and I both have strong Spanish appearances! Any thoughts - any relation to your St Ives Quicks? Muz, we probably have a relationship through the St. Ives Quick and Baragwanath family lines. My Quick ancestors have been dated to the early 1600's and my Newton ancestors also to the early 1600's, both in west Cornwall. Referring to the other responses to your posting, I like the thought that the Spanish may take their looks and genes from the Cornish! My grandmother Susie would have liked that idea.
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Post by poj47 on Sept 22, 2016 11:04:23 GMT -5
Have just come across your message regarding Spanish genes and coincidentally, have just had the results of my father in law's YDNA which also show that there is a connection to Spain. Currently awaiting the results of his mtDNA. There wouldn't have needed to be a marriage in order to inherit those Spanish genes, and therefore, no Spanish surnames! Pam (Hodge in Kent)
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Post by spikeharwood on Sept 22, 2016 16:38:54 GMT -5
Hi poj47 Thanks for letting us know about the test. I assume the test was done through FTDNA? What level did you test at, Y25, Y37, Y67 or Y111? What matches do you have? (I tested at Y67 but only had five matches at 2GD with Y25's - not much use really). What haplogroup is he in, R-M269? Have you uploaded the FF results to Gedmatch?
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Post by zibetha on Sept 25, 2016 0:21:10 GMT -5
My mother's 2nd cousin has taken the test via Ancestry and popped up as a strong match to me-- which makes total sense. Her father and two parents were Cornish, and her results came up with 31% "Irish" Glad you clarified this earlier, Spike! I know Irish isn't Spanish, but the way results are reported/classified is something to take into consideration before you toss them off as useless. Zib
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Post by spikeharwood on Sept 25, 2016 4:16:31 GMT -5
Well done, Zib, and thanks for your mail today re the power of DNA and Gedmatch. All we need now is for CT to have his cheeks scraped!!
Re my post above to poj47, I received a PM answering my queries and have replied.
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Post by zibetha on Sept 25, 2016 5:52:50 GMT -5
Hi to Spike and all on the board--
I don't think I ever posted about this, but while many of my roots are in Cornwall, I am an American who was given the gift of an Ancestry DNA by a 3rd cousin in the USA who was moving and had a few kits on hand. I had zero interest thinking I knew my family's history in the USA. For the most part, I did. However, the test results are giving me information that I can confirm as very specific. I made an interesting discovery yesterday that, if correct, takes me far back to the early settlement days of my homeland. DNA is interesting territory to explore. I am also getting Cornish and English connections that seem quite valid. Anyone else here ingrained with the idea that blood is thicker than water?
Zib
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 25, 2016 9:43:19 GMT -5
Spike - the DNA project is something I am keen on especially as it offers prospects of discovering potential links between the various Trewhella (var.) families in Cornwall. Unfortunately the cost involved dictates that it will not happen, at least not in the foreseeable future.
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Post by zibetha on Sept 25, 2016 17:08:39 GMT -5
Did a re-check and my "Irish" cousin has no Spanish results. I have a sibling who has tested who does have trace results re: Iberian Peninsula.
Zib
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Post by zibetha on Sept 25, 2016 17:22:34 GMT -5
CT,
I suspect any links between the "loose" Trewhella branches would be too far back for the currently available DNA testing to provide any specific information. As I have learned from you, the "mysterious" Christopher Trewheela was likely my 8x great-grandfather--- i.e. 10 generations back. The paper trail is still very important. If you haven't done it, your test results won't tell you much.
But, you never know! (And he may have had Spanish genes!)
Zib
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Post by londoner on Sept 26, 2016 1:48:14 GMT -5
In legend all the saints who came to convert the heathen Cornish came across the sea from Ireland, travelling on such wondrous E vessels as millstones and ivy leaves. No doubt they brought an entourage who mixed with the local population and introduced Irish genes. My Cornish families are Wallis, which translates as foreigner, and Humphrys, which is allegedly from the French Honfroi.
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