I have been researching my family line for some time now. I believe I am a direct relation of Joseph George and Annie Nicholas, which many stories have been written about them concerning the smugglers, ghosts etc.
Their granddaughter Nanny George (Annie) came to New Zealand and married the first year she arrived in 1874. I ordered her death certificate to make sure I had the correct lady and her fathers name was written as Henry George, which points towards Henry George and his wife Elizabeth Daniel as her parents. Even though they have her name as Nanny and not Annie during the census years. I feel they are the correct family.
Back to Joseph and Annie George. I would love to confirm their death dates. I found a Joseph George death as 1840 Penzance. The story goes that the family went into hiding and may of changed names, so the only close death I could find for Annie George was under her maiden name of Nicholas, Annie George Nicholas 1850 Penzance.
Would love input from people regarding their deaths thanks.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 16, 2019 0:08:05 GMT -5
I have not yet found any death or burial records for Joseph or Anne Nicholas but I am spending a little time on searching at the moment. I can tell you that Annie George Nicholas is definitely NOT connected to the family of Joseph and Ann.
Anne George Nicholas was born in 1849 and according to the GRO Index her mother's name was Moorshead. This is probably the family of James Nicholas and Rebecca Moorshead who married at Lelant in 1845.
Should I find anything of interest I will post it here.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 16, 2019 1:47:18 GMT -5
Okay - I 'think' I have some answers for you.
I don't know about the stories of smuggling and ghosts and tend to ignore them most of the time and concentrate more on documented facts. Some of the stories may have some substance but in the end it is what is documented that usually leads the way to the answers.
The records show that Joseph George and Ann Nicholas were married at St Buryan 23rd October 1798. Both were sojourners in St Buryan so probably from other Parishes and while Joseph was able to sign his own name Anne made her mark. One of the witnesses was a John Nicholas which may or may not help with the identity of Anne.
There were a total of 8 children from the marriage - Anne (1799-1800), Joseph (1800-), William (1802-), Anne (1804-), Elizabeth (1805-), Emanuel (1808-1809), Henry (1809-) and Stephen (1813-1827).
Of the five children who survived beyond the age of 14 I have so far managed to find only Anne (1804) and, of course, Henry who is already known to you. I will try to pursue Joseph, William and Elizabeth a little later but for the purposes of answering your question about the deaths of Joseph and Anne it is only daughter Anne who is required.
In the 1851 Census I found an Ann George age 80 with daughter Nanny age 45 living at New Street in Penzance. Ann stated she was the widow of a labourer and that both she and her daughter had been born at Sennen. By searching for the baptisms of anyone named Ann George in Cornwall between 1800 and 1810 I was able to determine that this couple must almost certainly be the widow and daughter of your Joseph George. There were just two Ann Georges who could possibly be considered as options with the second option being Ann Catherine George who was baptized at Sennen in 1804 to Peter and Sarah George. Ann Catherine George was buried at Sennen 30th July 1804 leaving just the daughter of Joseph and Ann as a match for the 1851 Census entry.
Moving backwards to the 1841 Census and Ann George age 70 with daughter Nanny age 40 can be found at Quay Street Penzance. (Remember that in 1841 the ages of adults (those over age 15) needed to be only rounded down to the nearest 5 years) Knowing that the last child of Joseph and Ann was son Stephen baptized in 1813 meant that Joseph George must have died sometime between 1812 and the 1841 Census and as his widow and daughter were living at Penzance in 1841 it meant that it was quite possible a burial might be found.
Bear in mind also that Ann was age 70 in 1841 and therefore probably born sometime between about 1766 and 1771. That then gives us a rough guide for the possible age of Joseph George who could have been a little younger or, more likely somewhat older than Ann. A search of the burial records produced just one possible burial:-
Joseph George of Penzance age 80 buried 12th September 1840 at Penzance
So Joseph was born 'about' 1760 which means that he was probably the following:-
Joseph son of Joseph George and Elizabeth his wife baptized 29th May 1761 at Crowan
I know this seems a long way away but after further investigation there can be little doubt. Joseph George of St Hilary and Elizabeth Jenkyn were married at St Just 1st May 1758 and appear to have had just four children. The first child was daughter Margery baptized at St Hilary in 1759 followed by Joseph at Crowan in 1761, Sarah at St Just in 1764 and Elizabeth at St Just in 1777. The fact the first child was named Margery suggests that Joseph was probably baptized at Sennen in 1731 son of Joseph Margery George for whom I am yet to find a marriage.
Correctly identifying Anne Nicholas is slightly more difficult. Her age in 1841 and 1851 is consistent with a birth about 1770 or 1771 but her age at burial suggests she may have been borne earlier. It is possible her age was not truly known by those who knew her so we need to allow for the inaccuracies.
Ann George pauper from New Street Penzance age 90 was buried 17th July 1855 at Penzance
On the known information from the Census and her burial we should expect her to be born/baptized sometime around 1765-1771. But the only baptism I can find that appears likely based on the location and Census information with some consideration given to the fact a John Nicholas was a witness to her marriage is the following:-
Anne daughter of John Nichols by Jane his wife born April 6 and baptized June 13 1773 at Sennen
Adding to the difficulty with this is that I can find no possible marriage of John and Jane!
The only other piece of useful information I have at the moment is the burial of daughter Ann who remained a spinster:-
Ann George of Queen Street age 87 buried 8th February 1888 at Penzance
This again adds some confusion given her age at burial indicates a birth about 1801. However, after another search of the 1881 Census there can be no doubt this is the daughter of Joseph and Ann George.
Should I find anything else I will post it here later.