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Post by phonelady on Sept 11, 2019 17:33:59 GMT -5
Looking for info on the brothers John and Richard Maddern of Newbridge.
They emigrated to the United States, ending up in Nevadaville, Gilpin County, Colorado.
John Maddern was born around 1853 in Madron
Lived in Newbridge before emigrating to the USA sometime around 1875 or before.
He was killed by a slab of rock which fell on him and several other miners in the Kent Mine in Gilpin County, Colorado. Charles Angwin was also killed in that accident on 8 March 1880.
John's brother Richard was injured but survived.
Richard was probably born in Madron. I do not know if he was older or younger than John.
All I have for sure is a gravestone for John Maddern in the Bald Mountain Cemetery with died 1880 aged 27 engraved and an article from The Cornwall Cornishman on 1 April 1880 describing the accident and the killed and injured through an informant "friend."
Hope someone can shed some light on these fellas. I'd like them to be remembered with more than just a stone in a ghosttown graveyard.
Smiles!
Carla
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 12, 2019 2:33:12 GMT -5
Hi Carla - I'd like to see this has an easy answer but unfortunately it doesn't. The first hurdle is the accuracy of the information you have provided and the second is the variant spellings that might be involved - Maddern, Madderne, Madron, Maddron, Madren and perhaps others.
On first glance I did have a reasonably obvious candidate for John Maddern but after I checked my database I found that I had two marriages for him and a list of children born in Cornwall up to about 1894. That ruled him out straight away.
I do have another candidate but he doesn't quite match with the details you have given here - born about 1853 in Madron. However this will at least be a starting point for you to follow up on.
The family involved appears in the 1871 Census at Mousehole as 'MADDRON' and involves a son named Richard born at Paul about 1852 and a son named John also born at Paul about 1854. The are sons of Solomon Maddron and Mary Rosewarn who married at Paul in 1846.
Solomon Maddron appears to have been illiterate as he did not sign his own name but I have checked the GRO Birth Index and found that a Richard Francis MADDERN was born in the Penzance Registration District in 1852 with mother's maiden name recorded as 'Rosewarn'. And then in the March Qtr of 1854 there is a John MADERN registered with mother's maiden name 'Rosewarne'.
I would think this may well be the men you are after but I would suggest you check further. If you need any help just ask and I will give you a hand.
CT
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Post by phonelady on Sept 13, 2019 15:45:33 GMT -5
Ohh. I have seen these Maddron folks in my research!
Yes, the names got changed to various spellings when folks emigrated to the USA.
Paul is just down the road from Newbridge, correct?
Oh, Mousehole is down the road from Paul!
I wonder if there is any way to see people who emigrated from Newbridge?
Thank you very much for your help!
I am off to follow Solomon and Mary Rosewarn Maddron [since they are the
only one's that seem to have two boys named John and Richard who were born
in the 1850's]
Smiles!
Carla
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Post by phonelady on Sept 13, 2019 16:22:35 GMT -5
Awh, it looks like that Richard Francis Maddern/Madron who was born in Paul and lived in Mousehole was still in Cornwall after 1880 and married a woman named Phyllis.
My Richard "Dick" Maddern was living in Gilpin County, Colorado by 1880...
Sigh...
Carla
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Post by zibetha on Sept 13, 2019 16:40:13 GMT -5
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Post by phonelady on Sept 13, 2019 17:06:59 GMT -5
Hi Zib,
Unfortunately no.
This John Richard Maddern is part of another Maddern family that lived in Nevadaville, Gilpin County, Colorado during that time.
John Richard was married and died of pneumonia in 1912. He did not have a brother John that was close to him in age.
Thanks for your help
Carla
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Post by phonelady on Sept 13, 2019 17:29:49 GMT -5
Hi Zib, Yes, it is a very beautiful area with a rich mining history. Many stories there. I used to love visiting Nevadaville [now a ghost town] and the Bald Mountain Cemetery. At one time the town was divided in half, Cornish on one side and Irish on the other. It made for many lively nights! westernmininghistory.com/Has much info and interactive maps Carla |
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Post by zibetha on Sept 13, 2019 17:38:51 GMT -5
In the town in Upper Michigan where my parents lived, there was a baseball tournament between the Swedes and the "Cousin Jacks." My grandfather ran a sporting goods business, and my mother would give an archery demonstration at the break between innings. What a history we have even in the modern times  Zib |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 13, 2019 19:39:13 GMT -5
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 13, 2019 21:18:57 GMT -5
Okay, I am finally able to show you the entire family group for John and Richard Maddern. I did have some further complications as there was another Maddern family in the general area where the mother's maiden name was also Waters/Walters/Watters but I have now sorted that problem out. The only other slight hurdle is with John and his age which I now think was most likely misrepresented by a couple of years or three from sometime after the 1861 Census. In 1851 John was recorded as age 2 but in 1861 as 10 and then in 1871 he was age 18 thereafter recorded as at least a couple of years younger than he actually was. (He was born in early 1850) The one curious thing is that there is a John Maddern born in the Penzance district in 1852 and I cannot place him. The maiden name for the mother of this child is recorded as 'Drew' yet I can find no marriage and no further children. I had wondered if perhaps John of 1850 might have died young but as there is no burial or death record for him and he was age 10 in 1861 I had to dismiss that possibility. Here is the family:- Martin Maddern and Elizabeth Waters were married at Sancreed 4th September 1841 - the groom was recorded as 'Madern' but signed 'Madron' and many of the children were recorded as 'Madron' when baptized. However almost all the births were registered as 'Maddern' with just a couple as 'Madron'. (I should also point out that Elizabeth Waters was baptized at Sennen in 1820 as 'Watters'.) 1. Elizabeth Ann MADDERN baptized at Sancreed 16th January 1843 (born December Qtr 1842) - mother's maiden name Walters (she was initially baptized as Elizabeth Jane but then baptized again along with her brother James as Elizabeth Ann) 2. James MADDERN baptized at Sancreed 25th February 1844 - mother's maiden name Walters 3. Martin MADDERN baptized at Sancreed 26th October 1845 - mother's maiden name Waters 4. Richard MADDERN baptized at Sancreed 24th March 1848 - mother's maiden name Waters (born March Qtr 1847) 5. Ellen MADDERN baptized at Sancreed 30th April 1848 and buried at Sancreed 22nd August 1870 - mother's maiden name Waters 6. John MADDERN born at Sancreed in the June Qtr of 1850 but I have not been able to find a baptism - mother's maiden name Waters 7. Rebecca MADDERN born at Sancreed in 1855 and baptized at Sancreed 18th March 1868 - mother's maiden name Waters 8. Emma MADDERN baptized at Sancreed 5th September 1858 - mother's maiden name Watters 9. Joseph MADDERN baptized at Sancreed 8th August 1860 and buried at Sancreed 13th January 1861 Martin Maddern senior was baptized at Sancreed 29th August 1813 son of Martyn Maddern and Ann Ellis (married at Sancreed 7th June 1813) and was buried at Sancreed 2nd April 1861. As you will have seen in the 1871 Census the family was living at Newbridge so I have no doubt now that this is the family you were after. CT |
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Post by phonelady on Sept 15, 2019 15:21:09 GMT -5
Ah, CT, I think you have found them!
So far, I have not found any records in Cornwall that means this Richard Maddern stayed.
He does not show up on census or marriage lists after 1871.
He and brother John Maddern are close enough in age to be the brothers that came to Gilpin County and went to work together in the Kent Mine.
Since their father, Martin, died early in 1861, it makes sense that the boys emigrated to find work [other siblings went to Australia to mine
or with their spouses who were doing the same].
Elizabeth Waters Maddern was head of house for a couple of decades and then lived with her daughter, Emma's, family where we find her in the 1891 census.
I may have found Richard on a passenger list under Madron. This Richard came in to New York 9 May 1873 and is listed as age 24, which would put him born about 1849.
Only two years off from the bd of the Richard, son of Martin and Elizabeth Waters Maddern that you found. And this Richard was a miner. So that bodes well for my Maddern brothers research!
So, thank you very much for the help in putting family to these brothers buried over here in this ghost-town hilltop cemetery.
I am going to share this with Liz at Foothills Genealogical Society and see what else we can come up with!
Smiles!
Carla
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 15, 2019 15:59:09 GMT -5
The only other information I can add at the moment is that Elizabeth Waters (wife of Martin Maddern) was baptized at Sennen 19th March 1820 to Richard Watters/Waters and his first wife Elizabeth Row. At the moment I have traced this Waters family back to the 1755 marriage of Daniel Waters and Margaret Shetfar at St Levan.
CT
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Post by phonelady on Sept 15, 2019 22:57:09 GMT -5
Ok, I saw Richard Waters on her marriage paperwork.
Thank you for info on her mother.
Cg
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But I have to say there is a lot of confusion involved ……. beginning with the fact that come Census time the parents in this family couldn't seem to keep up with the names of their children, their ages or even the order they were born!!! For example - Elizabeth Ann is age 1 in 1851 but age 18 in 1861 and 28 in 1871 and she does not seem to appear in the GRO Index ….. unless she is recorded as Emma Jane! 