Mary Glasson and Edward Moyle

[Glazin2018]

CT et al

I was just checking details in my family programme and I came upon a marriage I have from 1st July 1823 at Helston between Edward Moyle and Mary Glasson.

I recorded the following details from the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Gwaves, Sithney, Helston, Cornwall

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place

Edward Moyle Male 40 1801 Tin miner Cornwall

Mary Moyle Female 40 1801 Cornwall

Martha Moyle Female 15 1826 Cornwall

William Moyle Male 12 1829 Cornwall

Edward Moyle Male 9 1832 Cornwall

Elizabeth Moyle Female 7 1834 Cornwall

Christian Moyle Female 5 1836 Cornwall

Stephen Moyle Male 3 1838 Cornwall



1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Newham Moors, Sithney, Helston, Cornwall

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Edward Moyle Head Married Male 53 1798 Miner Sithney, Cornwall

Mary Moyle Wife Married Female 52 1799 - Sithney, Cornwall

Edward Moyle Son Unmarried Male 20 1831 Miner Sithney, Cornwall

Elizabeth Moyle Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 - Sithney, Cornwall

Stephen Moyle Son - Male 13 1838 Miner Sithney, Cornwall



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Gwavas, Sithney, Helston, Cornwall

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Edward Moyle Head Married Male 67 1794 Miner On Tin Sithney, Cornwall

Mary Moyle Wife Married Female 66 1795 - Wendron, Cornwall

Stephen Moyle Son Unmarried Male 22 1839 Miner On Tin Sithney, Cornwall

I assumed that the Mary Glasson was the daughter of William Glasson and Mary Richards (c1898) of Marazion.  I had accepted that Mary's claim in the census as to being from Sithney as an error based on her husbands birth place.

So I checked the GRO site for the maiden name of the mother of Stephen.. and whammo it is recorded as Eathorne.

I have tried to make sense of this but I simply cannot at the moment.

Lannanta

[Cornish Terrier]

So I checked the GRO site for the maiden name of the mother of Stephen.. and whammo it is recorded as Eathorne.

I have tried to make sense of this but I simply cannot at the moment.

I battled over this for a little while as well ……………….. until a niggling thought began to creep into my mind. As a result of that annoying little niggle I changed my way of thinking ……………………………

28th April 1839 Wendron - Stephen son of Stephen and Ann Moyle of Lezerea, miner

4th June 1837 Wendron - Stephen MOYLE nd Ann EATHORNE were married

QED I have Stephen son of Edward and Mary born circa 1837 so I think he was probably born and registered just before the start of civil registration. It is curious that I cannot find baptisms for any children of Edward and Mary after that of William in 1828 even though the family remained at Sithney.

CT

[Glazin2018]

Thanks for that CT, much appreciated. That was pretty much how I went as well but the missing birth entry for Stephen still worried me as I was, and am still, not entirely happy with his name not being recorded.. I accept it may have been pre Sept 1837 but I have a niggling doubt over that. In any event it matters little ... I was more concerned that I had Mary Glasson in the wrong place and I am happy now.

[Cornish Terrier]

Ah yes, I see. I never looked at the 1861 Census before but his age there (22) would suggest he was born 1838 rather than 1837. And given he was recorded in 1841 and 1851 respectively as age 3 and 13 then it appears it is more likely he was actually born in 1838.

It is a pity Stephen appears to have been the last child for this family - with any later children we might have been able to 'test the system'.

What we need to keep in mind is that Civil Registration began on July 1st 1837 and, although compulsory, it took many years to persuade the populace that the government was rather serious about its implementation. I think the following link will help explain things better than I can.

www.genguide.co.uk/source/civil-registration-birth-england-amp-wales/19/

And the following two quotes in particular are most enlightening!

The indexed entries had been copied into national registers from those kept by the local registry office. This process created scope for errors in copying from one source to another but also be aware that many civil registration certificates contain outright lies.

It is possible that the birth went unregistered as many believed that registration was unnecessary if the child had been baptised. This was more likely to happen shortly after the introduction of civil registration in 1837, although it is not uncommon even today. Up to 1874 the registrar was responsible for recording the events, resulting in around 15 per cent of births going unrecorded. After 1875 registration was enforced more rigorously with fines imposed for non registration with the responsibility passed to the individual for registering events. Births had to be registered within 6 weeks of the event.

CT