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Post by kimberleyribeye on Feb 11, 2019 5:28:07 GMT -5
Hello and thankyou to the administrators and moderators of this forum.
My apologies, I should have introduced myself and my Penwith Genealogy research interests earlier. I am from Western Australia and my great grandmother, Rose Whitford was born in Clunes, Victoria, Australia. Her father was a miner from Gwennap and her mother was a Doble from Gwinear, who met and married in Clunes.
My Penwith Genealogy research interests are, by surname and approximate location:
Angwin - St Just in Penwith, Morvah
Bartle - St Erth, Crowan
Bastard - Redruth
Bennett - Ludgvan
Berriman - unsure of original origin, married Simmons of Perranuthnoe
Bosense - Redruth, Sancreed
Carpenter - Illogan
Doble - Gwinear (emigrated to Clunes, Victoria, Australia in the 1860's)
Drake - St Just in Penwith
Favell - St Hilary
Floyd/Flood - Gwinear
Ford - Gwennap, Redruth & Breage
Hammell - Redruth, Gwinear
Harris - Gwinear, Sithney
Harwood - Camborne
Hingston - Towednack, Ludgvan
Kitt - Ludgvan, Gulval
Lenten - Sithney
Luke - Redruth
Newton - Gulval
Noale - St Ives
Osborne - Zennor, Morvah
Pawley - Lelant
Polkinghorne - Illogan (and Breage) Praed - Lelant
Richard/s - Paul, Redruth
Searle - Breage
Simmons - Gwinear
Tonkin - Gwinear, Sennen
Tredinick als Sparnon - Ludgvan
Trevaylor - Ludgvan, Gulval
Williams, Crowan, St Hilary
Woolcock - Redruth
I look forward to future participation within this forum.
Cheers, Greg
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Feb 11, 2019 11:04:39 GMT -5
Welcome to the site Greg. We've already had some brief interaction and no doubt there will be more. CT
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Post by trencrom on Feb 14, 2019 21:07:42 GMT -5
Hi Greg Praed was a gentry family in Lelant and owned the manor of Tevethowe (aka Lelant and Trevethoe) in the 1700s. I believe Pawley may have been a minor gentry family in the same parish in the preceding century. You may want to check Maxwell Adams' Lelant site to see what he has on these families.
Trencrom
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Post by kimberleyribeye on Feb 15, 2019 7:00:26 GMT -5
Hi Trencom,
Thanks for that information. I have done a bit of (quick) research on the Praed family and managed to get some additional family connections. Very interesting the monumental plaques in the Lelant Church of both the Praed and Pawley families. It would be extremely interesting to find out where William Praed originated from as there are a couple bits of information:
1. He mentions a godson in his will named William Praed, who could be a son of a Robert Praed of St Erth. William baptised in 1614 in St Erth, s/o Robert. Other children of Robert include Prudence (1617), James (1619) & Harry (1637). Possibly another son Robert who was having children baptised in St Erth from 1637 on. Maybe Robert Senior was a brother to William of Trevethowe? 2. There is a mention of a William Praed being a 'cosen' in the will of John Cosen a dyer of Camborne in 1606 (to receive a "third of all goods and chattels" and also executor to the will) 3. He seems to appear in the 1590's with a part share interest in Trevethowe. Styled as 'gentleman' in a CRO document from 1599. 4. Also interesting that William Praed had a PCC will (PROB 11/136/404) and a will and inventory at the CRO (AP/P/397). First time I have come across this.
I am hanging on a bit of a limb to connect this family to Honor Hammon(d) who married John Hingston, but the available documentary evidence at this stage supports this, but not confirms - yet!!
I look forward to further discussion on this family.
Cheers, Greg
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Post by zibetha on Feb 18, 2019 21:32:24 GMT -5
Hi, Greg,
I certainly recognize some of the names on your list. From your query thread, "Agreed with the parentage of Parthenia. I descend from her and Robert Osborne's daughter Mary who married William Bartle at St Erth in 1754."
The William Bartle in question was my 7th great uncle. My ancestor was his brother, Ralph, baptized 30 Oct 1726 at Crowan. Parents were Richard Bartle and wife Hannah. I am not certain of Hannah's parentage although I lean toward her last name having been Batten.
Zib
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Post by kimberleyribeye on Feb 20, 2019 5:46:27 GMT -5
Hi Zib,
I have seen quite a few trees on Ancestry which have Hannah Batten, or Gundry as the wife of Richard Bartle, but most sources site someone else's family tree as the source - no "real" sources! I also avoid Ancestry trees like the plague - I probably don't need to say too much more. I was interested in links to a Hannah Adams, d/o William Adams with regards to property at "Drym" in Crowan that are mentioned in documents in the Cornwall Record Office, but this didn't seem to link in with this Richard Bartle. But, I will admit, I haven't had a chance to look back at that in more depth.
What info have you seen that makes you lean towards Hannah Batten as the wife of Richard Bartle?
It was a random DNA match with a lady that confirmed a link to this family as my ancestor Mary Bartle (d/o Peter & Mary, nee Tonkin) married a John Simmons in Crowan, but he was from Gwinear. As we know the name John Simmons/Symons is a bit of a nightmare name to research, so I was happy my 'hunch' was backed up with a DNA match.
Cheers, Greg
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Post by zibetha on Feb 21, 2019 19:42:45 GMT -5
Hi, Greg,
Sorry that my response at this time will be vague as my older notes are in storage and on a half-dead computer. I think I had the Batten info from a Bartle/Semmons cousin, and I never found anything of substance for a Hannah Gundry. My Semmons line is from Crowan, and I believe the family links back to Breage. I am dealing with some odd DNA matches to "Semmens" family of Perranuthnoe that I can't figure out. Some of my connections have NPE's on this line, so it's not easy. But it's there.
Zib
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Post by kimberleyribeye on Feb 24, 2019 5:46:08 GMT -5
Thanks Zib, will look into it when I get a chance, but if you come across anything in the meantime, please let me know :-)
I am thinking my "Simmons" line goes back to Perranuthnoe.
Cheers, Greg
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Post by spikeharwood on Feb 24, 2019 15:58:33 GMT -5
Hi from me also Greg. I have Ford. Francis was my 7xgreat grandfather bpt 10th Jan 1692, Breage. His main claim to fame was marrying Amy Kitto thus making Zib and myself 8th-ish cousins. Bastard is of interest. I have Bastian. Often Bastard is changed to Bastian, but never the other way. I'm in South Australia where we have two unrelated Bastian lines. One can clearly be traced back to Cornwall Bastards. There is a suggestion that one of William the Conquerer's sons was named William the Bastard and he established himself in Devon and he is a possible source of the name.
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Post by zibetha on Feb 24, 2019 23:42:53 GMT -5
Hi, Greg,
I, too, have Semmens/Simmons/Symons DNA matches extending back to Perranuthnoe. I wish I could figure them out!
Zib
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Post by kimberleyribeye on Feb 26, 2019 1:03:31 GMT -5
Thanks Spike & Zib,
I descend from Francis Ford also and our branch moved from Breage to Redruth in the late 1700's, then a son John, moved to Gwennap. John is noted in a case (1838 or 1839 from memory) where the parish of Gwennap tried to relocate him and his family back to Breage, although he had actually been born in Redruth. One of John's daughters, Ann Ford married Richard Whitford in Gwennap (there were about 5 Richard Whitford's of Gwennap at this time - all born within about 10 years of each other - thankfully the 1841 Census help sort who was who!!) and they came out to Clunes, Victoria in the 1850's. Ann went on to marry a William Chenowyth in Clunes after her husband Richard died.
Interestingly enough I did my first DNA test with Family Tree DNA and came up with a match with a Mexican fellow who was descended from one of the daughters of John Ford of Gwennap. My DNA matches surname was Odger, so quite amusing surname for Mexican!
Greg
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Post by trencrom on Mar 1, 2019 3:02:18 GMT -5
There is a suggestion that one of William the Conquerer's sons was named William the Bastard and he established himself in Devon and he is a possible source of the name. It was William the Conqueror himself who was known as William the Bastard, as he was born illegitimate. He had a son called William, who became king William II. But he was known as William Rufus instead. The Conqueror did not have any illegitimate children. Trencrom
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Post by spikeharwood on Mar 2, 2019 2:25:46 GMT -5
There goes another myth. Bugger. Those Bastards will have to come up with another reason to explain their name.
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Post by kimberleyribeye on Mar 2, 2019 4:05:14 GMT -5
Hi Spike,
I must admit, I agree with Trencom there. It was William the Conqueror's son Henry I that had all the illegitimate children, including Reginald de Dunstanville, Earl of Cornwall. Reginald also had strong links with Devon. The Cornwall Visitations start in Devon for the Cornish Duloe branch of the Bastard families. There are other Bastard families present in the 1524 Subsidy, including a John Bastard at St Gluvias, which is not far from Kea where the earliest known branch of my family is from (my ancestor Richard Bastard moved to Redruth in the 1660's)
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Post by cross1 on May 12, 2019 5:52:02 GMT -5
Hello kimberleyribeye, I'm cross1 and a new member to this forum. I noticed that you have Osbornes from Zennor on your list I am looking for my ancestors who may have lived around that area. I am willing to exchange information. I can go back as far as the early 1800's. My great x6 grandparents lived on a farm called Westmoor in St Buryan. I would be interested in links you may have to them. Cheers cross1
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