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Post by Isambard on Nov 26, 2018 0:08:07 GMT -5
I'm looking for Mary Dunstan's parents/grandparents. Mary married James Rutter 27 May 1824 Ludgvan, Mary's residence - St. Erth, Witnesses - William Dunstan and Edward Dunstan (ref OPC). Census returns indicate Mary was born around 1800-1804, in St. Austell. Mary and James' census returns show following: 1841 (not found) 1851 Mary age 48 (abt 1803), James age 48 (abt 1803), residence Canon's Town, Ludgvan 1861 Mary age 57 (abt 1804), James age 63 (abt 1804), residence Canon's Town, Ludgvan 1871 Mary age 71 (abt 1800), James age 76 (abt 1795), residence Union Workhouse, Madron 1881 Mary age 79 (abt 1802), Widow, residence Union Workhouse, Madron Scanning baptismal records, only two Mary Dunstans appear to me as reasonable possibilities: Mary Dunstan, bap 1803 St. Austell, Father John Dunstan 1778-1856, Mother Jane Kelly 1780-1869 Mary Dunstan, bap 1810 Lelant, Father William Dunstan 1786- 1862, Mother Elizabeth Mitchell 1791-1871 A third possibility, Mary Dunstan bap 1813 Uny Lelant, was discarded, as she married Joseph Rowe. Comments welcomed, as always!  Isambard |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 26, 2018 1:44:06 GMT -5
Isambard - this is one of those tricky ones and the answer, at least as I have it, is not amongst the possibilities in your post.  I looked at the Rutter marriage back in 2013 probably at a time when I was doing a little work on the Hollow families given James Rutter was first married to an Elizabeth Hollow of Zennor. After weighing up and investigating possibilities but without any documentary evidence I concluded that Mary Dunstan was probably a younger daughter of John Dunstan and Mary Rundle who married at Truro in 1778. John Dunstan was baptized at Perranaworthalin 1751 and Mary Rundle at Truro in 1753 and they had three children at Truro before moving across to St Austell where baptisms for sons William, Edward and James can be found. I appear to have had at least a couple of reasons for my conclusion with the primary being the fact that a daughter of James and Mary Rutter was named Mary Rundle Rutter. There was also a son who was given the name Edward Dunstan Rutter which I reasoned was probably for the Edward baptized at St Austell. I would have also taken into account that Mary Dunstan was 'of St Erth' at the time of her marriage to James Rutter and that the two witnesses were William Dunstan and Edward Dunstan! Further 'evidence' to support my conclusion was that the two witnesses were two of the children of John Dunstan and Mary Rundle who were baptized at St Austell. They were both also 'of St Erth' at the time of their marriages - William in 1809 at Ludgvan and Edward in 1813 at Lelant - AND their signiatures when married are in each case an excellent match for the two witnesses at the Rutter/Rundle marriage. I also have Mary Rutter nee Dunstan buried 'of Union House age 81' at Ludgvan in 1881 but had not found a baptism for her. Looking at possibilities today and there is 'possibly' a baptism for Mary at Lostwithiel which is not too far from St Austell. There are actually three children baptized on the same day:- Lostwithiel Baptisms, Burials, 1767-1810 1800
John & Pascoe sons of John and Mary Dunston baptized 10th August
Mary daughter of John and Mary Dunston baptized 10th August
As I cannot find another marriage to account for these children I am working on the possibility that they were all children of John Dusntan/Mary Rundle. Their first child in 1779 was named John but I never tried to find a burial or marriage for him back in 2013. No guarantees but except for the baptism there is reasonable support for my identification of Mary. CT |
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Post by Isambard on Nov 27, 2018 19:00:01 GMT -5
CT- Thanks for the great response. It looks like Mary Dunstan is a daughter of John Dunstan and Mary Rundle, with a high confidence level. I had been circling around the John (Dunstone) Dunstan and Mary Rundle (Rundall or Randall) family for some time; trying to find evidence that the two witnesses at the Rutter/Rundle marriage were indeed from the family, and whether one of the family was Mary's father, brother or uncle -- but not having view of original baptismal images of William and Edward, and not having looked for a Mary baptism further afield than the St. Erth and Truro areas. (Phew, all one sentence! I had the following children of John Dunstan and Mary Rundle in my records: John Dunstan b. Abt February 1779 Truro Nicholas Dunstan b. Abt August 1780 Truro Jenney Tremellin Dunstan b. Abt 1783 Truro William Dunstan b. abt 1786 St. Austell Edward Dunstan b. abt 1791 St. Austell James Dunstan b. 31 August 1794 St. Austell, d. 18 August 1858 Canon's Town (my 3rd GGF); to which I'll now conditionally add: Pascoe Dunstan - as new to me Mary Dunstan - as discussed Isambard PS: Where to find on-line images of Cornwall original BMD and Bap images? |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Nov 27, 2018 23:39:14 GMT -5
Another tricky situation to unravel - note that we already have a John baptized in 1779 to John and Mary Rundle but then in 1800 we have another baptism for a John together with Pascoe. The question is whether or not the first John had died and another child named in his place or was this second event in 1800 another baptism for the earlier John. As I said in my earlier post I cannot guarantee that the Lostwithiel baptisms belong to the same family although the lack of another marriage would suggest they may.  You have John 'abt 1779' in your list which suggests the earlier John may have survived so caution is required and as is further investigation. For Cornwall Parish Registers there are two 'easy' sources. 1. If you subscribe to Ancestry use this link:- search.ancestry.com.au/search/db.aspx?dbid=9848Under 'Browse this Collection' at right there is a drop-down box where you can click on Cornwall or Devon - click on Cornwall. Under the last option another drop-down list is presented where you can choose the Parish of interest. Click on Ludgvan or whatever Parish you want to look at and you will be presented with list of the available registers for that Parish. Clicking on any of those will present you with the images. 2. In FamilySearch you will need to log in to your Free Account and then browse your way via Search-Records-England where you will find the following collection:- England, Cornwall Parish Registers, 1538-2010Clicking on that item will open the home page for the Cornwall and Devon registers. At the bottom of the page presented you will see 'View Images in this Collection' under with is a link for 'Browse through 202,325 images'. Click on this link and you will be presented with the option of 'Cornwall' or 'Devon'. By clicking on 'Cornwall' you will be presented the same list as in Ancestry only in a different format so, again, just click on the Parish of choice and follow the links to the particular set of images you want to see. PS - there are more registers for many Parishes that are not presented via the above links but they are a little more tricky to access. If there is anything you can't find then let me know and if the item is available elsewhere I will try and direct you to it. CT |
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