Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 21, 2018 21:23:11 GMT -5
Hi Greta - now things begin to make a little sense!
I don't know exactly how I fit in with Mary Trewheela but the recent Y-DNA test seems to indicate that there is definitely a connection. Mary belongs to the Crowan family and up until receiving the DNA results I could only speculate on the possibility that her line and mine might share a connection some time in the distant past. The first results showed that my Trewhella family and cousins of the Trewheellar family who went to Russia about 1815 were a definite match. I already have that family linked to the Crowan family probably with the marriage of Charles Trewheelah and Margery Luke at Camborne in 1686. Just where these families and mine actually link is part of the puzzle that may take some time to find.
Rowe - I don't know if you and I collaborated on this Rowe family but the information you posted matches exactly with what I have. The only thing you haven't mentioned is that the marriage to Mary Trewheela was a third marriage for John Rowe. He was first married at Towednack in 1759 to Zenobia Baragwanath and again in 1776 at Gulval to Jane Edwards with one child from each marriage.
I think we are 7th cousins descended from John Trewhela/Trewheela. James who married Ann Tregear was a son from John's first marriage (Mary Williams) and my ancestor, Thomas, was from the second marriage(Margaret Parsons.) It was Thomas' daughter Esther/Hester who was the wedding witness mentioned earlier. She was an older sister of my 4th great-grandmother, Ann Trewhela who was the wife of William Harvey.
My initial inquiry on this board was to try to identify Thomas and is under the Trewhella category.
DNA testing has potentially linked me to several other lines of descent from Charles and Margery. It's fascinating!
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 21, 2018 22:44:31 GMT -5
James who married Ann Tregear was a son from John's first marriage (Mary Williams)
Sorry Zib but this is not correct. John Trewhela, husband of Mary Williams, wrote his Will in 1743 and it was proved in 1753 at Kenwyn and there was no mention of a son named James. The children mentioned were John, Dorcas, Mary, William, Margery and Richard followed by wife Margaret. Margaret was to receive the residue of the estate including goods chattels lands and tenements and on her decease these were to fall to son Thomas on the condition that he take care and provide for his sister Hester until she reached the age of 15.
All the children of this John were baptized at Camborne and then Kenwyn except for Thomas who was baptized at Lanteglos by Camelford where John and Margaret had been married.
James Trewhela was baptized at Crowan to another John Trewhela who was probably a son or grandson of either Thomas or Matthew Trewhella who were probably the brothers of Charles and named in the Will of Christopher Cock of Helston in 1678.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 22, 2018 1:11:16 GMT -5
Yes, it looks like you are both connected via Crowan with the earliest link probably being the sons of Christopher Trewheela of Helston. In all probability your link is probably a little later but it really depends on just who James Trewhela's grandfather was.
James Trewhela was mentioned in the Will of his mother Mary in 1758 along with siblings Thomas, Elizabeth, Mary, Catherine and John (Executor) and brother-in-law William Gill. Also mentioned is a bequest to 'daughter Marget To children' which I interpret to mean Margaret and Thomasin Gill. Margaret Trewhela married William Gill at Crowan in 1742/3 and Margaret was buried at Wendron in 1752.
Catherine Trewhela mentioned in this Will I believe is the Catherine who first married William Odgers at Ludgvan in 1743 and later became the third wife of James Trewheela of Ludgvan.
There are two possible burials at Crowan for James' father John Trewhela - one in 1728 and the other in 1737 - but it is not really clear which one is correct. John died intestate and papers dealing with his Administration show a date of 4th May 1738 with Admon. granted six days later. The phrase 'lately deceased' is used in these documents but I have found that to be a little ambiguous at times. However, it does seem likely that John was buried 10th October 1737.
Post by keweenawgreta on Sept 22, 2018 11:45:45 GMT -5
CT, I believe we did collaborate on the Rowe line, and you were the person who corrected one of my errors. I do have Mary Trewhella (never certain how I should be spelling this as the name is different in each record) as the third wife of John Rowe, and I have John's parents as John Row and Prudence Noall.
Zib, Hello cousin! It appears that, once again, I am finding many cousins as I attempt to solve my Penrose Puzzle. My Penrose line will probably always remain a puzzle, but I am certainly finding a great deal of other information along the way.
Thanks you both for your comments and information! Greta
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 22, 2018 13:14:26 GMT -5
Greta - the spelling of the Trewhella surname has caused many research problems over the years and at one point I had 27 variations in my database with other's still being found. Some of those were merely transcription errors in later indexes but from the actual registers I think 27 was the count!
The early registers for St Erth generally show TREWHELA and at Towednack it started as Trewhela and Trewella in the registers but then settled to TREWHELLA. In the Redruth area it later became mostly TREWELLA with some Trewhella and Trewheela whilst at Crowan it had been settled pretty much as TREWHELA from the first entries right up almost to the 20th Century.
One part of the family moved from Camborne to Kenwyn where the name generally settled as Trewheeler and from that came Richard TREWHEELLAR whose family ended up in Russia.
BUT, BUT, BUT …………………. in the latter part of the 19th Century the Crowan family began spelling the name as TREWHELLA while descendants of the Russian side now are generally TREWHELER. It is only New Zealand where some relatives of the Russian side retain TREWHEELLAR.
The Redruth families now are Trewhella or Trewella although there were some Trewheela.
From Madron the first entry was TREVELA which soon became Trewhella, Trewheela and Trewhela. They later settled mostly on Trewhella although one member of the family decided on Trewheela! (and he had siblings who retained Trewhella!)
It was this problem that was the major reason it took me so many years to finally start reviewing and updating my database. I simply couldn't work out just how I was going to organize names to make it as easy as possible to search for individuals
In the end I decided on TREWHELLA for those west of Redruth except for Crowan which I kept as TREWHELA. For Redruth it ended up mostly as TREWHELLA except for one line which nowadays is mostly TREWELLA. And there is one exception from the Madron area that are now TREWHEELA.
The most confusing was the Kenwyn line which had many variations of Trewheler (Trewheeler, Treweeler, Trewhela etc.) but I decided in the end on TREWHELA which seems to be the most common in that family today.
It is only the Russian/New Zealand family that remains a bit of a problem but I will probably end up with most TREWHELER except for that one family in New Zealand.
That probably doesn't really answer your question but if you settle on TREWHELA for you Crowan connection it may be easiest for you. Just make sure to note any variations as you find them.
Post by keweenawgreta on Sept 23, 2018 9:38:05 GMT -5
Thank you--I think!!
To tell the truth, Cornish surnames, however many variations, do not baffle me as my Finnish surnames do. I am just starting to get a handle on them.
My maternal line is all from Finland, and my dad's family, as far back as I can go, is from Cornwall, so my DNA should show 50% Finnish. However, my DNA shows 64% Finnish, so that, too, is baffling. I know the Ancestry DNA is an estimate, so that may be where the extra 14% comes from. My brother's DNA may help, but my cousin also had much more Finnish DNA than he though he should have.
Oh well, more puzzles. The more we know, the more we discover we do not know!
Thanks again for the Trewhela explanation. I do try to keep track of name variations for all of my lines.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Sept 23, 2018 10:14:23 GMT -5
Confusin' ain't it!
The main cause of most of my variations is simply clerical errors - especially when dealing with people who either could not read or write or who had limited reading/writing abilities. Often the person hearing the name will write it as he hears it and that can lead to many interesting results!
I don't have any Finnish ancestry myself but a Trewhella in Michigan married a Finnish girl named Hilma Wakkuri back in 1925. I met her in 1994 when I was in Michigan.