Post by valzolio1955 on Apr 7, 2018 12:47:17 GMT -5
I'm new here, so hello to everyone!
I'm looking for a Thomasin UUren(Uryen...etc), last 'spotted' on St Michael's Mount in the census of 1851 where she was housekeeper to the proprietor whomever that was. She may have been born in Wendron in 1787 but not sure.
She was married to a John Sim in 1810 in London (Marylebone) and her daughter Mary Sim married John Thomas Harmen Rutger (sometimes spelled Rutgar) in St Hilary, Cornwall.
I have been desperately trying to complete the Sim line, but no luck so far. John sim, seems to have gone totally awol.
Furthermore, there are Sims and Symes and Shims etc... but nothing that fits.
Not sure what Thomasin was doing in London at that time... unless I got a totally different Thomasin Uuren...
I hope someone can help.
Sorry if I got the wrong thread/forum/Uuren... ;-)
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 7, 2018 15:42:36 GMT -5
Welcome to the Forum.
In the marriage record the surname is URYEN but unfortunately Thomasine was unable to sign her own name. However the 1851 Census shows she was born at Wendron and her age then matches her age as recorded in 1841 when she was already employed at the Castle on St Michael's Mount. The recorded age suggests she was born about 1786 or 1787 but I have to wonder just how accurate that was. It is possible her baptism was not recorded, is lost on a damaged page in a register or did not take place until she was several years old but the only similar name I can find in the OPC database is that of a Thomasin UREN baptized at Wendron 2nd January 1780 to Thomas and Mary Uren.
AHA!! - I have now found Thomasine's burial!!
Thomasine SIM of The Castle St Michael's Mount age 72 was buried at St Michael's Mount 27th November 1851
This would put her birth at about 1779 which would mean that the above baptism must almost certainly be the wife of John Sim!
As for John Sim - well, he appears to have died sometime before 1841 which means we have no way of knowing even in which County he may have been born. It may be of some help that one of the witnesses to the marriage in 1810 was a William Sim - possibly father or brother. Also helpful is that of the three children I can find baptized in London two were sons named John and James and the other a daughter named Mary. Taking those names into account and assuming the possibility there might have been a naming pattern involved we could start by looking for a John Sim with father John, William or James and mother Mary.
Also of possible interest is a burial at St Andrew, Holborn, City of London 6th November 1838 for a John Sim of St George the Martyr age 54. That would place his birth somewhere around 1784 and is well worth considering especially as I can find no children baptized to John and Thomasin in Cornwall and no possible burial in Cornwall. I have found a burial for their son John though:-
John SIMS of The Castle age 25 buried 2nd April 1836 at St Michael's Mount
That is two years prior to the burial of John in London which may mean that is not the correct burial for John senior.
Seems that is about all I can help with for the moment but I have added all of the information to my database so it can be built on as new information is found.
BTW - the owner of The Castle was Sir John St Aubyn, Baronet.
Post by valzolio1955 on Apr 9, 2018 11:08:31 GMT -5
Thank you so much for the info. I had most of it, but made a mistake in calculating the dates and yes, it does fit: Thomasine was born 2nd Jan 1780 to Thomas and Mary ... which is Mary Treloar! Then found a publication of the Treloar family which confirmed this. Seems I can go up and up and up and up into the Treloars.Takes the fun out of searching actually.
No sight of Sim or Sims or Symes yet. Had spotted William, but no joy so far. I'll keep looking!
St Aubyn rang a bell, as there are a couple of St Aubyn's in my tree, illegitimate or not, nobody will ever know. Henry St Aubyn x Elisabeth Rolls (4th great-aunt of my husband). Which St Aubyn would have lived in the castle in 1851?
Enough questions. It says 'post quick reply' ouch, ... ;-)
Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 9, 2018 11:55:48 GMT -5
There are a couple of ways to reply to a post with one being the 'Quick Reply' that it seems you used. The other is to use the 'Reply' button at the bottom right of the post you want to be involved in. Length of replies is not really a problem and you will find some in this forum that are extremely long indeed!