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Post by tolencat84 on Apr 1, 2018 19:00:54 GMT -5
Hi
I am having some difficulties tracking down this chap. I have a marriage to Elizabeth Jeffery in 1822 in Helston and his name on a marriage bann for his daughter Mary. Mary was married in 1943 to John Dally, widowed in 1944 and married William Scholar in 1946 in Sithney.
I can't find his birth or death and have tried as many iterations of prideaux as I can think of.
I'm new to this so if I have missed anything obvious, please be kind 😁
Thanks Sarah
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 2, 2018 1:28:36 GMT -5
Hi Sarah - I have had this family in my database for a couple of years now and have also been stumped by Samuel. In 1841 daughter Mary appears to be a servant to an Innkeeper at Helston, possibly the Blue Anchor where I can admit to having sampled their cider! I also have not been able to find a baptism that I could say was definitely him and nor a burial but it is most annoying that I have also not found a baptism for daughter Mary. That is not exactly out of the ordinary as I was working on an Eva family a couple of nights ago and there are 4 or 5 children born during the 1820s and 1830s for whom I also cannot find baptismal records. I have found one more record involving Samuel however and this one 'might' help identify Elizabeth Jeffery. Samuel and Elizabeth were married at Helston 25th November 1822 but three weeks before that on November 5th Samuel was a witness to the marriage of a Jane Jeffery to David Latamore at Sithney. The signiature verifies it is the same man so there is a very good chance that Jane and Elizabeth Jeffery were sisters. The records leave me a little confused about Mr Latamore (var. incl. Littemore, Lattimore etc.) as he appears in some records as David and others as Daniel. But at least he and Jane are present in the 1851 Census which indicates that Jane was born at Sithney about 1800/1. BTW - David 'Latamore' signed his name as 'Lattimore'. As Jane and Jenifer are variants of the same name I would suggest the following is Mrs Latamore:- Jenifer daughter of Richard and Mary Jeffrey baptized 19th July 1801 at SithneyAssuming that is correct then:- Elizabeth daughter of Richard and Mary Jeffery baptized 1st March 1795 at SithneyRichard Jeffery and Mary Knight, both of Sithney, were married at Sithney 20th November 1791. - The OPC records show a further five children including an earlier Jenifer. That has not answered your query about Samuel Prideaux but perhaps it might ultimately help lead to an answer. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 2, 2018 2:00:17 GMT -5
According to the two marriage records for Mary Ann Prideaux her father Samuel was a 'miller'. The following might therefore be of interest:-
Gwennap Parish Register (Baptisms 1823-1831)
Susanna daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Prideaux of Gwennap, miller, baptized 5th January 1825 - Recd. August 7th
CT
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Post by tolencat84 on Apr 2, 2018 4:52:30 GMT -5
Hi
Thanks for that, I had just got through a whole roscholar/rescorla/scholar/schollar debacle when Samuel stepped in. I appreciate the information and will be off to investigate my Jeffery's for a while now.
I am however determined to solve the Samuel mystery.
Thanks Sarah
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 2, 2018 8:26:22 GMT -5
Samuel could have been born in Devon as there were Prideaux families there but there might also be a possibility that he was from the Isles of Scilly.
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Post by tolencat84 on Apr 2, 2018 16:02:32 GMT -5
I will look into the Devon angle, checked Scilly isles records but not very thoroughly. I found a death record for Bodmin and one for at Germans on freebmd, I think I may have came across something in my research about Samuel being in or possibly dying in Bodmin lunatic asylum but I can't find that right at the moment.
Samuel is my new mission.
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Apr 2, 2018 19:23:41 GMT -5
According to the GRO Index there was a Samuel Prideaux died in the Bodmin Registration District in 1855 but he was only age 27 so definitely not him.
CT
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Post by tolencat84 on Apr 3, 2018 6:42:14 GMT -5
That is one crossed off the list anyway.
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Post by tolencat84 on Mar 18, 2019 5:02:24 GMT -5
Hi
Update, I believe I have found my man. There was a Samuel Prideaux buried at Gwennap.
PRIDEAUX Samuel Cusgarne Common 13 Mar 1827 56
Which leads me to his birth in Perranbazuloe 1772. Looks from the records he had 2 wives, 1st Mary Hosken, who died in June 1822 and 2nd Elizabeth Jeffery who he married in Nov 1822. He didn't hang around apparently. The thing is his daughter Mary was born in 1822 so I'm not sure if she is Mary or Elizabeth's daughter. I would think by the name she is Mary's daughter but Elizabeth's mother is also called Mary and I'm not sure where to go from here.
Thanks Sarah
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 18, 2019 5:58:17 GMT -5
Having looked at the information including burials and the two marriages I have arrived at the conclusion that Mary could not possibly have been the daughter of Mary Hoskin.
If she is indeed the Mary Prideaux of Helston buried at Gwennap in 1822 and, therefore, the first wife of Samuel Prideaux, then she was age 62 when she died. It was very rare in those days for women to have children past the age of 48 although there are a few examples. But even today I think you would be struggling to find anyone in their sixties having 'natural' children!
Even if her age was out be up to 10 years Mary would still have been age 52 when Mary was born based on the information we have.
It would be much better if a baptism record could be found but at this stage I would think Elizabeth is the more likely mother.
CT
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Post by tolencat84 on Mar 18, 2019 6:23:39 GMT -5
Hi
Logic alluded me again, didnt even think about how old she was when she died.
Thanks Sarah
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Mar 18, 2019 8:24:43 GMT -5
Easy to do. It would be nice to find that baptism though. CT
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