1. the 1841 Census which shows and Elizabeth Quick age 27 in the Penzance Union Workhouse 2. a transcript from the Penzance Union Death Register which states that Elizabeth Quick, pauper, age 28 died at the Union Workhouse 28th March 1842 3. the GRO Death Index which shows the death of an Elizabeth Quick in the Penzance Union Registration District in the March Qtr of 1842 age 28 (thus confirming point 2. above)
I am not going to labour the discussion but after reading all the previous discussions it is my opinion that the three items mentioned only relate to one source and that is the Workhouse record of the age of Elizabeth. They would have provided the census information, the Union death information and the GRO death certificate.
It therefore then stacks up against 3 sources - a 30 year old Elizabeth in Penzance in 1835 who was from St Ives and who was a "poor girl" - a burial register from the hometown of that Elizabeth both agreeing with a birth of around 1805 - and the 1841 census saying she was from Cornwall as opposed to the Parish of Cardiff St John which is where Thomas was married.
My opinion, for what it is worth, is that the age in the Workhouse information is wrong and the Elizabeth in the Workhouse is the daughter of Andrew. The wife of Thomas who had been a mariner since 1818, and her daughter Catherine Smith Quick, are somewhere else and it is them who are not found in the 1841 census.
Last Edit: Oct 3, 2018 13:33:42 GMT -5 by Glazin2018
Well, from the Penzance Dispensary Admissions in August 1835 there was a 30 year old "poor girl" called Elizabeth Quick from St Ives.
If there is anyone there with access to Ancestry I was wondering if they could access the 1835 record for Elizabeth in the "Penzance Dispensary Admissions" and post the complete record please? I would like to make sure that the notes that I have are correct.
Last Edit: Oct 4, 2018 13:18:03 GMT -5 by Glazin2018
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 4, 2018 14:25:30 GMT -5
Here it is 'as is':-
Elizabeth Quick in the Cornwall, England, Penzance Dispensary Admissions, 1828-1841
Name: Elizabeth Quick Birth Year: abt 1805 Age: 30 Residence: St Ives Admitted Date: Aug 1835 Admitted Place: Penzance, Cornwall, England Description: Poor girl Number: 289
I'm not sure that I would accept the term 'poor girl' as is. I don't know exactly what the accepted barrier was between 'poor' and 'not poor' but a John Trewhella of Cockwells in Ludgvan was admitted also admitted in 1835 and referred to as 'poor man' but when his estate was administered in March 1837 he had Effects of 100 Pounds. Not wealthy but I think I wouldn't mind having a slice of what that 100 quid would be worth in today's money.
I'm not sure that I would accept the term 'poor girl' as is
Your John Trewhella mentioned would appear to be a classic case of 'asset rich and cash poor' and is something that has not changed up to this very day. Many people owning their own home but struggling to meet their weekly payments.
It is my opinion that "poor girl" had a clear meaning when she was admitted to this facility and as such this information is invaluable. Looking at the facility and the admissions it appeared to be there for the poorer people of the area and was ultimately replaced by the Workhouse, although the dispensary itself eventually evolved into the West Cornwall Hospital as part of NHS. So I would prefer to accept the term for what was originally intended - she was poor. Similarly the death in 1842 listed Elizabeth from the Union Workhouse as a pauper.
I was not part of the initial discussions you had with the others in this thread but I have read through it a couple of times. I, like you, accept that more information would be useful. However I have recorded this Elizabeth at the Dispensary as the same Elizabeth at the Union Workhouse and the same Elizabeth at the St Ives burial and therefore Elizabeth, the daughter of Andrew Quick. I am also prepared to change my view if more information is presented.
As an aside, I was interested to note that at the marriage of Thomas Quick and Elizabeth Hogg at Cardiff, one of the witnesses had a surname Smith. I imagined therefore that this name had a connection to their daughter Catherine Smith Quick.
Last Edit: Oct 4, 2018 21:09:43 GMT -5 by Glazin2018
Post by Cornish Terrier on Oct 5, 2018 2:16:15 GMT -5
I imagined therefore that this name had a connection to their daughter Catherine Smith Quick.
I haven't seen a copy of the marriage record itself so had no knowledge of witnesses. A copy would be appreciated if you are able to provide one.
In answer to your comment above - working from the little knowledge available about Elizabeth Hogg I searched for a possible baptism and determined that she was most likely baptized at St John's, Sully, South Glamorgan, Wales 24th October 1813 daughter of William Hogg of Sully, yeoman, and his wife Catherine.
Further investigation located the marriage of William Hogg and Catherine Smith at Clifton, Gloucestershire on 9th August 1812. Catherine was buried at Cardiff 26th August 1818 after which William Hogg married Catherine Vaughan 24th August 1821 at Cardiff St John.