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Post by skipper on Jul 1, 2017 14:40:39 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I recently stumbled across this site and thought Id have a look see. Family history is only a recent hobby and one that has been insanely FRUSTRATING at times. Unfortunately Ive got the bug now and i love the treasure hunt, despite wanting to launch my computer into outer space at times. Being Australian and not knowing the areas in a huge stumbling block....  Ive recently trace the family im interested in to their departure from Cornwall, so the battle is won but the war ongoing. Any tips would be welcome and the comfort of finding others that curse their computer reassuring. Cheers Skipper |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 1, 2017 16:11:54 GMT -5
Welcome to the site Skipper - and yes, we do all get frustrated at times!  The best idea for you would probably be to post a little information about the family you have traced back to Cornwall and then add in any queries you have to start with. We can then see what the 'battlefield' looks like and (hopefully!) begin to point you in the right direction(s). CT |
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Post by skipper on Jul 6, 2017 21:36:51 GMT -5
Thank you for the welcome.
I'm actually a little nervous at what I can potentially find here 😬. I've already discovered a marriage to a furst cousin and telling my other half about his ancestors suddenly became harder.
So here goes. The family I'm looking for information about is the major family from st Ives. My other half is descended from a Ephraim Major b 1841 who emigrated to Australia at 14 years old.
Know anything about this family?
Cheers
Skipper
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Post by skipper on Jul 6, 2017 22:05:05 GMT -5
Just a stab in the dark. On my side I've a Christopher Edwards and a Patience (nee Sibley). They are listed as having been married in Devon 1793. However when looking for possible matches in death records I've got two hits for Patience one in Birmingham (who is listed as having an Edward Edwards as a spouse) and the second in Falmouth Cornwall. Any ideas on this one?
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Post by zibetha on Jul 6, 2017 23:21:32 GMT -5
Hello, Skipper,
I thought the Cornish were intermingled beyond belief until I was able to expand a US line of mine that goes back to the Colonies. There are times I pause and re-count my fingers and toes! What has gone before us has already happened. There are many small population groups. We have survived! As yet, I can't help with your inquiries, but I welcome you here. This board has amplified my search beyond what I could have possibly imagined.
Cornish descendant (yes, we spell it that way!) in the US--
Zib
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Post by skipper on Jul 7, 2017 0:53:15 GMT -5
Zib,
Just like you my Mr Major has the right number of fingers and toes 😂. Looking at his family's history after their migration to Australia it certainly shows that the Cornish were an industrious, tough and cheeky people.
The Majors in his line not only survived here but thrived. Farmers, miners, blacksmiths, military, Sunday school teacher, council and local government representatives are just a few of the occupations the Majors dabbled in.
A certain Major was also a member of the 2/48th battalion, the most decorated unit in Australian history. The rats of Tobruk as a fascinating and proud part of Australian history.
Finding out about the family's lives before they came here should be just as interesting but more difficult. Online records have helped a little, but not being able to actually visit archives ect is a frustration 😡. I'm hoping stumbling into this forum will be a brilliant resource for learning about the Cornish and the family I've married into.
Skipper
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 7, 2017 1:37:17 GMT -5
I think the first thing we need to do is to make sure you have the correct Ephraim Major. From the information you have given I suspect that your Ephraim is the one who married Elizabeth Richards at Wallaroo Mines in 1864. If that is correct then he was actually born in 1842 with his birth registered in the June Qtr of that year - parents Samuel Major and Grace Dunstone Major.
The Ephraim Major born in 1841 was the son of Ephraim Major and Blanch Shugg baptized at St Ives 1st August 1841. This Ephraim married Selina Clemens at St Ives in 1862 and by 1871 they had only two surviving daughters of five children born.
I don't have a baptism record for 1842 Ephraim as yet but marriage records support my comments above.
Don't be shy about the first-cousin marriage issue as it was very common in Cornwall and other places of small and remote populations. I have four successive generations of my family in Cornwall where each involved a first-cousin marriage and in one particular family during the 1700s three siblings of one family married three siblings of another family. The fathers of each set of sibling were brothers!!
The next thing we need to think about doing is to transfer this conversation down to the St Ives forum under Parishes of Interest. I will organize that in the coming days but would like you to add a little more of what you know of both your Major family and the Edwards family.
No need to provide any information on modern family but tell us what you know about the families in England at least to their arrival in Australia. That will give us some information to work from so that we might be better able to help you find answers to other queries.
CT
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Post by roadrunner on Jul 11, 2017 9:30:01 GMT -5
HI skipper from infoyou have supplied
The following seems to link
The 1851 census as supplied by the New Zealand Society of Genealogist
Gives Surname First Name Age Census Folio No
list Major
Ephraim AGED 9
1851 censusHo107/1917 Part 8 Folio541 Page27 Shed 9 Tregenna Terrace St Ives
Thomas Shugg aged 63 Mason born St Ives
Dorcas 61 born Lelant
Ann daug 26 born StIves dressmaker
Matilda daug 18 born St Ives
Ephraim Major 9 Grnson bornSt Ives
also listed Ephraim aged 8 Folio 383
Ephraim aged35 Folio 523
There are 17 families listed by Folio Nos
with 43 first names
Hope this helps regards claspknife
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Post by nanny on Apr 18, 2020 0:33:37 GMT -5
Selina Clemence who married Ephraim Major was the sister of my great grandmother,Jane Trezise Clemence, who marriedThomas Edwards, 28th Sept. 1856 St Ives. I have a photo of Ephraim Major taken in Red Jacket, Mass.On the back is written he died in a N.Z. earthquake but no details I have been trying to find out what happened to Selina's sister,Elizabeth, daughter of Tobias Clemens/Clemence & Margery Trathan.
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Post by spikeharwood on Apr 18, 2020 16:36:36 GMT -5
Hi nanny - and welcome to the forum. I noticed the name Trezise and see that it comes from Selina and Jane's grandmother Jane Trezise who married Tobias Clemens/Clemence 1802 St Just in Penwith. You are probably aware that the Trezise surname is registered with GOONS. There is also a Facebook Group "Trezise One Name Group" which is quite active with an admin who knows most things about the various Trezise lines. I'm a member. I have no direct Trezise lines but there have been marriages with my lines which gives me DNA matches with Trezise descendants.
Spike
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Post by nanny on Apr 22, 2020 2:17:52 GMT -5
Thank you for the welcome Spike. Jane Bottrell married[1] Joseph Trezise 22nd June 1787 [2] Tobias Clemens 12th Sept. 1802 St Just in Penwith. Their son, Tobias Clemens married Margery Trathan. who had 4 daughters& a son. Two daughters, Jane Trezise married Thomas Edwards& Mary Ann married William Juler, came to Victoria. One daughter,Margery Clemence marriedWilliam Henry Renowden & went to America. The son, Tobias married Mary Sparnell & moved to Redruth.i have tried unsuccessfully to find out what happened to the other daughter, Elizabeth Clemence. Today I found ,on google, a photo of a cemetery memorial to Selina& Ephraim Major. I thought he died in a N.Z. earthquake because that was written on the back of his photo but there is no mention of that on the memorial. Perhaps it was a relative .
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Post by nanny on Apr 22, 2020 5:04:54 GMT -5
Sorry,Tobias& Margery Clemens had 5, not 4, daughters including Selina [how could I forget her?]who married Ephraim Major. Jane& Joseph Trezise had at least 2 children.Joseph Trezise ch. 10th Feb.1788 St Just in Penwith& Jane Trezise ch.4 Oct. 1795 St Just in Penwith..There is also a John. Bottrell Trezise born 1838 St Just in Penwith who married Mary Jane Nankervis 19 July 1899 Launceston Tasmania Australia.
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Post by nanny on May 25, 2020 1:54:08 GMT -5
i have now found that Ephraim Major& his wife,Selina[Clemence] died within 4days of each other at Maitland, Cape Town,South Africa.Selina died 8th Jan.1900, aged57. Ephraim died12th Jan. 1900, aged 59.Ephraim died from prostate cancer, not, as somebody had recorded, in a N.Z. earthquake. The photo I have which has his name written on it is possibly of William Henry Renowden, husband of Margery Clemence since they went to live in Michigan& the photographer was in Red Jacket, Michigan.
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Post by zibetha on May 25, 2020 6:31:33 GMT -5
Hi, Nanny, I have a bit of information collected re: your Clemens/Trathens in Michigan. This is so strange ( in a good way ) as I have been working on my Clemens/Clemence worksheets this weekend. Red Jacket is in the Houghton, Michigan area (Calumet, etc.) I know a little bit re: photographers in the area. Let me know if I can attempt to help you. That is where my Cornish side ventured when they came to the US  Zib |
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Post by nanny on May 26, 2020 1:05:58 GMT -5
Thanks, zibetha Ughel. The photographer was W M Retallick Red Jacket Mi. I did unsuccessfully contact a person connected to Renowden research in the hope he may have a photo for comparison .I do have a fair amount of information about Margery [ Clemence]& William Henry Renowden & a copy of Margery's death certificate. I would love to know what happened to Margery's sister, Elizabeth having searched in vain for years.
Nanny.
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