Archibald Allen poole

[cazroid]

Hello everyone.
I have recently begun to investigate my family tree and have a disappearing relative! Archibald Allen poole-my paternal gg granfather was born in Phillack in 1847 to William glasson Poole and Kitty Nicolls. He married Elizabeth Wearne in 1870 in redruth area. They appear in London and then back in Cornwall on the 1871 census then disappear altogether! Their three children are on the 1881 census as living with a Thomas family in Worcestershire?? I have read a few threads concerning the glasson/Pool family but have no success with finding anything about Archibald and Elizabeth.
Any advice how to try and find this elusive man greatly appreciated!!
Many thanks
Carole

[sue]

Hi Carole

As you say Archibald Allen Poole (born Dec Q 1846 Redruth RD, baptized Crowan 4 Feb 1849) is your GGGfather, one of Ida, Constance or Katie Annie must be your GGmother. (I note there was another child, Lilian Mary Poole born Redruth RD Dec Q 1875, who died Sep Q 1878 Redruth RD age 2 - "POOLE— At Broad Lane, Illogan. July 31, Lilian Mary, youngest daughter of Mr. Archibald Allen Poole, aged 2 years and 9 months". Royal Cornwall Gazette 9 August 1878.

The reason for the girls being with teachers Wm & Elizabeth Thomas in Kidderminster 1881 needs establishing. The youngest, Katie Annie, was born in the June Q of 1874 in the Redruth RD. If there were no more children, despite the parents only having been in their late 20s at that time, one has to consider that one or both of the parents Archibald & Elizabeth may have died or run off.

I note Mrs Elizabeth Thomas was born St Ives Cornwall - the same place that Elizabeth Ann Wearne, mother of the girls, was born. Finding the link to the Wearne family may be helpful. Oftimes one has to build up a wider picture in order to find what you are looking for....

I presume you have searched these sites?
www.cornwall-opc-database.org
www.freebmd.org.uk
familysearch.org

as well as any census websites?

I see that by 1891, Constance Poole, still resident with Wm Thomas teacher & his wife Elizabeth now in Market Drayton Shropshire - although Wm Thomas is now said to have been born in Devon whereas in 1881 he was said to have been born in Cheshire! - is described as niece to the head of household Wm F Thomas teacher. (Constance who in 1898 marries Josiah Holland, 17 years her senior per marriage record on FS....)

And the lady of the house 1891 is now Elizabeth A Thomas born St Ives c1850. I presume you have been able to discount the possibility of of Elizabeth Wearne born St Ives wife of Archibald Allen Poole being one & the same person as Elizabeth A Thomas apparent wife of Wm F Thomas teacher 1881 & 1891??

I see that the son in the household now also has the middle initial F, William F Thomas born c1879 Brecknockshire.

Using www.gro.gov.uk
searching for a William F Thomas born 1879+/- 2 years, I am rather struck by the birth in the Hay RD Sep Q 1878 of a Wm Frederick Thomas to a mother whose maiden name is Wearne........ Hay is in Brecknockshire.... & guess what? Glasbury is in the Hay RD, Glasbury which is declared as his birthplace in 1881. (Hmm... Wm F Thomas , mother Wearne, born Sep Q 1878 Wales; Lilian Mary Poole died that same quarter in Cornwall...) This may not directly have found what became of Archibald, but it's interesting......

I'm reckoning Archibald wandered off into that same ether his father Wm Glasson Pool disappeared into....

Sue

P.S. Wm & Elizabeth Thomas & their son Wm are by 1901 in Stoke Damerel in Devon, where Wm F Thomas had been born, apparently retired despite being only 46 & 50; then 1911 they are back in Market Drayton, where access to the actual record should interestingly tell you how many children Elizabeth has had in her lifetime.... and 1891 Ida appears to be an assistant governess in Denbighshire....

[cazroid]

Hello Sue Wow! Thank you! you have been busy!

Yes,thats right, Ida would have been my great grandmother,she died before I was born.
I did wonder if the two Elizabeth's were the same but dismissed it when the girls were noted as "niece" so I tried to see where the connection was between the Thomas's but so far unable to find it. I think I need to investigate this further,they could be the same person!!

I did see they had a daughter that died. Lilian Mary was also my grandmothers name, I like to think she was named after her.

I have been on all the websites you mentioned and more, all without success. Ida married William George in 1901 and her father is noted as Archibald on their marriage certificate,but not deceased,so I assumed he was still alive then.
He just disappears after 1871 census no death records either! There seemed to be so many name changes from census to census in the past,middle names being used,different surnames etc. I have tried various combinations of his name with the Allen,without, pool with the E and without but I can not find him!

More Elizabeth investigation needed! As i'm now thinking they probably are the same.

Thank you so much!!

Regards
Carole

[sue]

Carole, I think the evidence strongly suggests that the two Elizabeths more than "could" be one & the same!

Archibald was still around in 1875 when Lilian Mary was conceived, and most likely when she died given the wording in the 1878 newspaper.

I'm going to stick my neck out & suggest you have a love scandal on your hands regarding Elizabeth, particularly looking at those 2 life events both happening in 1878.....

Nice to know young Lilian Mary was remembered in the later generation.

I think if you check www.freebmd.org.uk for Elizabeth's death - try Market Drayton -you'll find that (rather than the shaving off of years in censuses 1881-1911!) her accurate age was recorded (i.e. born December 1846), which adds to the fairly heavy weight of evidence!

[cazroid]

Thanks sue. I'll get investigating at the weekend. Just wish I could find where Archibald went to!!

Carole