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Post by taipan72. on Jan 8, 2017 1:39:26 GMT -5
I don't know if I can be helped??? But here goes. I live in Australia and am seeking information around my gg gma Sidonia & her mum Annie/Ann Buzzo aka Buzza. I know Sidonias story as she came to Australia in 1867 via the 0aklands ,aged 19 domestic servant & married Henry Wheare son of Thomas Henry Wheare/whear & Caroline Sparnon in South Australia. Sidonia Buzzo was b Marizion St Hilary Penzance Cornwall in 1859 illigitimate. Father maybe a John Birth certificate just gives Annie & residence is Tregurtha Downs I think Annie was illiterate as just x given Sidonia on the other hand could write. Do not know what happened to Annie/Ann. Wondering if this is the same Annie/Ann mentioned along with MaryAnn & Ester Buzzo with Ann being younger. I'm lead to believe my Annie is related to one of the two Buzzos , Richard Snr & Ann Thomas (son off David Buzzo & Mary Body) and then there's Richard Jnr m ester or Hester Stephens researchers/owner of Buzza website whom I've spoken to are not sure who my Annie is or where/how she belongs suspicions say probable is the youngest of Richard Jnr Buzzo & Ester/Hester Stephens!. But I cannot find her amongst them later in census. I know Richard Snr married 3x & who to & where etc. I cannot find much if anything online can anyone professionally Id where/who my Annie/Ann belongs to,apparantly I need proof !. Hoping to establish something before having to resort to Dna as a last resort. I know there are Buzzo/Buzza that came down under but until I can workout Annies lineage I won't know who or how im related but I'm told we have to connect to one of the 2 Richards because they're the only two St Hilary lineages apparantly . Know Sidonia & mum Annie aka Ann Buzzo aka buzza mentioned 1860-61 Union minutes They wanted to move them to St Hilary. There is also a Samuel James Buzzo being b 1861 in Bodmin who could be my Annies.? Idk what happened to Annie or Samuel?. Could he be the Samuel James (squires) Buzzo ? Dying Bodmin 1863??. Any help about Annie be most appreciative as this is s huge block in the family. Sidonia & hubby Henry Wheare (Henry died in mine at broken hill nsw Australia )was my gg granparents ,with her son Henry Emmanuel Wheare being my great Gf. Henry Emmanuel m Agnes Mcrae d/o Scottish Charles grey McRae & Mary Anseline nee Morris. Their daughter UNITA Olive Wheare was/is my gran. Gran married into the Fenwick family. Any help re Sidonia before coming to oz & why?? And about Annie/Ann be most appreciative as being in oz I cannot look at English records & theyre like ghosts in online records & theyve been exhausted!. Thankyou in advance. Taipan72
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Post by sue on Jan 8, 2017 10:06:39 GMT -5
We can all be helped! These are the results of my initial forays into freely available online records: Sedonia Buzzo was baptized 25 April 1859 St Hilary ( born 23 February 1859), illegitimate to Annie single woman of Tregurtha Downs, www.cornwall-opc-database.orgNot sure quite how this child could be 19 at immigration to Australia in 1867.....? Perhaps immigration was 1877? Or did she emigrate 1867 age 9ish? Or, what is going on? I'm no expert on Aus shipping lists, but Trove digitised newspapers brings me The Oakland Thursday 4 August 1876 with a Sidonia Buzza on board, reported 17 August 1876; I see 16 August 1876 S Buzza age 19 arriving South Aus on board The Oakland..... ............................................................................................... Now, tracking Annie & Sedonia in census records..... 1861 I have not yet found Sedonia Buzzo age c2 (variant). However, I have found “a” Anna Buzza in Marazion that approximates to the profile: she is an unmarried labourer age 23, born St Hilary, lodging with a schoolteacher Sharlott Callaway... and a 2 year old – a boy “at school” Charlie Uren. I tried a search of 1861 Cornwall census for all 2 year olds born St Hilary, without including a name at all in the search: system found me only 47. None of the names resembling Buzza, even if I allow an age of 2 years either side. I know it's a bit weird, but, given the circumstances, I would not expect Annie to be a Head of Household in 1861... and the standout entry of these 47, for me, remains Anna Buzza labourer & Charlie Uren age 2, lodgers! Can I find Charlie in 1871? No. (Not yet anyway.) And Charlotte Callaway has no lodgers in 1871. Sidonia(variant) X in 1871 Cornwall: nothing that really fits. It may be that Sidonia and/or her mother Anna was only enumerated by initials at a workhouse; this has been seen before. Hmm: 1871 I search the census for any persons by the occupation of "matron" in order to find the Madron workhouse listing, which works: yet the persons are enumerated by name not initials, and the closest I can find as yet is Hannah Boaze age 33 "Widow" servant inmate born Kent (still there 1881, now said to have been born Hampstead Middx), plus Annie Emma Boaze age 5 born Penzance.... I've also had a go at searching online newspapers (FMP has this, for example) and have found a possible hit: 23 March 1870 Penzance "Annie Buzza, bail, was indicted for stealing a gold ring, the property of Emma Uymond, and a pocket-knife, and a pair of goloshes, the ......" (and there might be another relevant entry 23 August 1871...... but this seems much less likely). If the Annie indicted for theft was your Annie, finding the sentence she received (if found guilty) might be relevant to your enquiries.... ............................................................................................................. As to Samuel James Squire Buzza 1862 -1863, baptized 15 January 1862 to Ann Buzza of Madron Workhouse: there are indeed few possibilities for the mother, Ann. Not sure why you're mentioning Bodmin in relation to either his birth or death though? ............................................................................................................. In 1851 I see an Anna Buzza age 15 born St Hilary in the Madron workhouse, “pauper scholar”. Ann Buzza age 5 was in the same workhouse 1841. This seems the most likely option for the mother of Sidonia. This would unfortunately be a birth just before civil registration started. And I haven't yet found a suitable baptism on OPC. More work to do! Sue
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Post by sue on Jan 8, 2017 13:57:02 GMT -5
I've just found the 1861 Madron workhouse enumeration, master & mistress by name of Marrack - & the inmates are indeed simply enumerated by their initials.
There is a B A single woman born Madron age 41 lab woman; I can see no B S age 1 to 2. Indeed there are few toddlers listed 1861 Madron workhouse.
Sue
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Post by citroenlady on Jan 8, 2017 17:16:22 GMT -5
Hi taipan 72! Just out of curiosity I decided to feed Sidonia's and Annie's names into my own DNA matches and, to my astonishment, there they were! Three other 'Buzza' families appeared as well, but those were from the area between Truro and St. Austell, although there must be a connection for all to appear in my results.... At the moment I can't see in which way I am related to your two Buzzas, but if I glean anything at all that might be of help to you, I'll certainly let you know. Good luck!
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Post by sue on Jan 9, 2017 13:40:43 GMT -5
Searching the Cornwall Records Office Online Catalogue, I have come across one item that might perhaps, possibly be of use to you: Document P87/12/2, being the St Hilary Overseers' Accounts for 1769 - 1840. It says the document/volume " In the back of book gives details of money received in 1837-1840 for maintenance of children from Richard Buzza, Benjamin Rowe, William Tyack and Nicholas James."
You would need to contact CRO (they have email enquiry which I would suggest as your 1st step) to see if they would send you just the relevant pages mentioning Mr Buzza. (This is chargeable, they should be able to tell you how much once they've looked at the document if you ask nicely.) www.cornwall.gov.uk/community-and-living/records-archives-and-cornish-studies/enquiry-and-copy-servicesSue
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Post by citroenlady on Jan 9, 2017 14:01:23 GMT -5
We can all be helped! These are the results of my initial forays into freely available online records: Sedonia Buzzo was baptized 25 April 1859 St Hilary ( born 23 February 1859), illegitimate to Annie single woman of Tregurtha Downs, www.cornwall-opc-database.orgNot sure quite how this child could be 19 at immigration to Australia in 1867.....? Perhaps immigration was 1877? Or did she emigrate 1867 age 9ish? Or, what is going on? I'm no expert on Aus shipping lists, but Trove digitised newspapers brings me The Oakland Thursday 4 August 1876 with a Sidonia Buzza on board, reported 17 August 1876; I see 16 August 1876 S Buzza age 19 arriving South Aus on board The Oakland..... ............................................................................................... Now, tracking Annie & Sedonia in census records..... 1861 I have not yet found Sedonia Buzzo age c2 (variant). However, I have found “a” Anna Buzza in Marazion that approximates to the profile: she is an unmarried labourer age 23, born St Hilary, lodging with a schoolteacher Sharlott Callaway... and a 2 year old – a boy “at school” Charlie Uren. I tried a search of 1861 Cornwall census for all 2 year olds born St Hilary, without including a name at all in the search: system found me only 47. None of the names resembling Buzza, even if I allow an age of 2 years either side. I know it's a bit weird, but, given the circumstances, I would not expect Annie to be a Head of Household in 1861... and the standout entry of these 47, for me, remains Anna Buzza labourer & Charlie Uren age 2, lodgers! Can I find Charlie in 1871? No. (Not yet anyway.) And Charlotte Callaway has no lodgers in 1871. Sidonia(variant) X in 1871 Cornwall: nothing that really fits. It may be that Sidonia and/or her mother Anna was only enumerated by initials at a workhouse; this has been seen before. Hmm: 1871 I search the census for any persons by the occupation of "matron" in order to find the Madron workhouse listing, which works: yet the persons are enumerated by name not initials, and the closest I can find as yet is Hannah Boaze age 33 "Widow" servant inmate born Kent (still there 1881, now said to have been born Hampstead Middx), plus Annie Emma Boaze age 5 born Penzance.... I've also had a go at searching online newspapers (FMP has this, for example) and have found a possible hit: 23 March 1870 Penzance "Annie Buzza, bail, was indicted for stealing a gold ring, the property of Emma Uymond, and a pocket-knife, and a pair of goloshes, the ......" (and there might be another relevant entry 23 August 1871...... but this seems much less likely). If the Annie indicted for theft was your Annie, finding the sentence she received (if found guilty) might be relevant to your enquiries.... ............................................................................................................. As to Samuel James Squire Buzza 1862 -1863, baptized 15 January 1862 to Ann Buzza of Madron Workhouse: there are indeed few possibilities for the mother, Ann. Not sure why you're mentioning Bodmin in relation to either his birth or death though? ............................................................................................................. In 1851 I see an Anna Buzza age 15 born St Hilary in the Madron workhouse, “pauper scholar”. Ann Buzza age 5 was in the same workhouse 1841. This seems the most likely option for the mother of Sidonia. This would unfortunately be a birth just before civil registration started. And I haven't yet found a suitable baptism on OPC. More work to do! Sue I had a quick look at the criminal records for this time frame and found Annie Buzza was sentenced to one month's imprisonment without hard labour. s896.photobucket.com/user/Citroenlady/media/Annie%20Buzza_zpsqlkh2xw4.jpg.html
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Post by taipan72. on Jan 15, 2017 1:34:20 GMT -5
Hi taipan 72! Just out of curiosity I decided to feed Sidonia's and Annie's names into my own DNA matches and, to my astonishment, there they were! Three other 'Buzza' families appeared as well, but those were from the area between Truro and St. Austell, although there must be a connection for all to appear in my results.... At the moment I can't see in which way I am related to your two Buzzas, but if I glean anything at all that might be of help to you, I'll certainly let you know. Good luck!
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Post by taipan72. on Jan 15, 2017 3:10:32 GMT -5
Sidonia was my Great Great Grandmother.
I descend down from one of her sons'. So Annie was/is my Great Great Great Grandmother. I descend down further from the only child of Sidonia(s)and her Australian husband that survived. This is on my mothers side.
Sidonia and Annie were in the Workhouse at Marizion in 1860-61-Union minutes. I am not 100pc sure but it mentions..children..of Annie Buzzo the name has many variations of spelling too..see Buzzafamilyhistory.org.uk website, found easy by googling. Sidonia over here was named buzza before marriage. Annie, was referred to as Ann buzza in some records including Workhouse and Annie Buzzo on the childrens birth... I do know that they ,the union workhouse people wanted to move Sidonia to St Hilary and later there is a mention of a Samuel James Buzzo born Bodmin in 1861 with mother given as Annie I do not know if this is the same Annie but I had assumed so and the only Samuel James Buzzo I could find dying was a 1863 entry for a Samuel James Squires-Buzzo. Again not sure if same mother?.
It's "Assumed" that the likey candidate for Annie in workhouse records is that of "the teen pauper" mentioned here in above post.
I was told that there was only supposed to be 2 lineages of buzzo from St Hilary and that was of the decendants of David Buzzo and Mary body and their son, Richard Snr who married Ann Thomas (do of a john and Mary?)Thomas, and that he later married another two times (wives identified).The other Richard (jnr) married Esther/Hester Stephens. Their is a mention of a Ester born c1837 and a Ann B c 1836 mentioned in 1841 Parrish accounts!.
Sidonia was b Marizion Penzance, Cornwall in 1859 residence given as Tregurtha Downs. I have a copy of her birth certificate and no father given.
Sidonia was born illegitimately it would appear.
Father uknown though is a mention of a John on marriage certificate but we know he wasn't a Buzzo or Buzza.
Sidonia did come over on the "Oaklands" and the latter date given above on another post is correct, my mistake, she was 19 and a domestic servant. I do not know why she was sent to Australia, that and her lineage, parentage is what we have been trying to find out, and more about Annies' parentage.
Whilst I have not yet gone to Dna due to lack of finances..my first cousin has as her mum and mine are sisters.
I had looked over your Annie before via Ancestry and wondered, but I had too little to go on.
Sidonia married Henry WHEARE (other variations include Whear) on March 21 1878 at his fathers place, at their property, Kooringa in South Australia and Sidonia is buried at West Terrace cemetery in South Australia (Adelaide). Henry and his dad were miners.
Henry died in a mining cage accident in Broken Hill New South Wales, Australia in 1900 (20/2)@ Junction mine in Broken Hill Nsw Australia (story available on Trove and is Tagged). He was born at Tmu 5-6-1856 in South Australia.
Sidonia died in 1882 (10-3) unfortunately :-( such a short life...I do not have her death details as to cause of death yet. But her grave is viewable of Billiongraves, thanks to a great volunteer that found it for me.
Henry and Sidonia had 3 boys-Albert Gladstone Wheare, Henry Emmanuel Wheare, Thomas Alfred Wheare, unfortunately, Albert and Thomas did not survive.
So I descend from Henry Emmanuel Wheare, he is my Great Grandfather. More about him in a sec.
After Sidonia died, Henry re-married to Annie Birch and went onto have more children.
More About Henry Emmanuel Wheare-he married my great grandmother-Agnes McRae in Broken Hill Nsw Australia Agnes was born in Wilcannia which is a small bush town, and Broken Hill was once a booming mining town.
Agnes is the daughter of Mary Anseline later McRae nee Morris( widow of Francois Anseline )and Charles Grey McRae. Charles was born in Australia to Scottish parents, Alexander McRae and Mary Hardy.
Agnes McRae and Henry Emmanuel Wheare had Unita olive Wheare, Ernest Howard George Wheare,Leonard Alfred Wheare, and Unita is my grandmother.
Unita married Raymond Fenwick. Raymond (illegitimate) is the son of Hannah Fenwick and grandchild to John and Isabella (Wardobe). He Was raised thinking Hannah was his sister, his father is unknown...another story.
Unita had Juliet,Raymond,Gordon walter Edward,Isabella,Ernest,Dot,Michael...
So Dot is my mother. I wasn't born to her first husband, I too was out of Wedlock.
About me...I am going 45. I am Female. I am in a partnership/defacto...I have 4 kids. I reside in The Darling Downs Region of Queensland Australia postcode 4350. But I was born in Sydney. But I was adopted and raised in a small bush town classified as Far north western new south wales..so Whilst I have not been to Wilcannia nsw and Broken Hill the areas are familiar to me...another story lol.
I can message you more personal details if they don't go online here. But I am also on Facebook if you are. Love to chat further as we are anxious to learn more about family, and Sidonia and her family before coming over has been a big block for yonks in our family.
Our combined Wheare and Fenwick families are huge and scattered Australia wide.
Thomas Henry Wheare and Caroline Sparnon also came from Cornwall with Thomas being born in Breage. We are related to the Wheare/whear of Gwynir (not sure I spelt that right). Our Fenwick lot I believe come from Derbyshire.
I'm so excited now lol!. Doing happy dance..lol...
Kind Regards
H.
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Post by taipan72. on Jan 15, 2017 3:14:48 GMT -5
Just to mention that the Ann buzzo nee Thomas that was sentenced for deserting children At Bodmin is/was the first wife of Richard Snr. Richard snr was the son of David Buzzo and Mary Body.
The different lineages can be found on the Buzza family website-found in my lst post or by googling with a Brian G Buzza (he comes from Redruth lineage- First original line in Cornwall)...
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Post by taipan72. on Jan 15, 2017 3:57:46 GMT -5
I saw that one-sentence and wondered if it could be our Annie??.
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Post by taipan72. on Jan 15, 2017 4:11:19 GMT -5
Citreon Lady and others- the "Annie" posted in the picture I do not think is our Annie :-( as the details with the picture give that Annie as born 1880..this is too late for my Annie...as Sidonia, her daughter was born in 1859 Marizion St Hilary Penzance Cornwall. So thinking Annie have to be born maybe circa 1830-1840..ish as you cannot be born after your own daughter!.
Kind Regards
Taipan72 Sunday 15-1-2017 @ 7:10PM Queensland, Australia.
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Post by taipan72. on Jan 15, 2017 4:12:11 GMT -5
Citreon Lady I have private messaged you.
Kind Regards
Taipan72
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Post by citroenlady on Jan 15, 2017 13:20:22 GMT -5
Citreon Lady and others- the "Annie" posted in the picture I do not think is our Annie :-( as the details with the picture give that Annie as born 1880..this is too late for my Annie...as Sidonia, her daughter was born in 1859 Marizion St Hilary Penzance Cornwall. So thinking Annie have to be born maybe circa 1830-1840..ish as you cannot be born after your own daughter!. Kind Regards Taipan72 Sunday 15-1-2017 @ 7:10PM Queensland, Australia. Hello again Taipan! I think there is some confusion. The record shown illustrates the sentence Annie received from the Court in 1880, when she was probably between 40 and 50 years old. Old records can be a bit confusing
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 16, 2017 1:11:32 GMT -5
Sue - just looking through the posts on this query and realized that this is most unlikely to be the Ann Buzza being sought. Note that this Ann was age 41 making her born about 1819/20 yet the Ann you identified in a previous post would have been born about 1836. A second point about this entry is that the initials are 'B A' - in previous experiences (Davis of Illogan) I found that the initials in these cases were generally in the order of forename then surname so if this had been Ann Buzza the initials would have been 'A B'. RE Samuel James Buzza/Samuel James Squire Buzza - he is almost certainly the son of the same Ann but he was born and died in the Penzance Registration District and not Bodmin as originally suggested. His birth was registered in the December Qtr of 1861 but he was baptized January 1st 1862 but I have not found a burial for him. BTW the GRO index indicates that Samuel James Squire Buzza was age 1 when he died. The fact that his death is recorded as 'Samuel James Squire Buzza' would indicate that his father was probably a James Squire. This of course does not necessarily suggest that he was also the father of Sidonia .... but it is possible. CT
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jan 16, 2017 3:09:38 GMT -5
I have now checked the South Australian Marriages Index which indicates that Sidonia Buzza did indeed name her father as 'John Buzza' when married. We do know that the birth and baptism records show Sideonia as being the illegitimate daughter of Ann Buzza so there are two ways to look at this information.
1. Her father was a John Buzza but not married to Sidonia's mother 2. Sidonia named her father as John Buzza because she did not want it known she was illegitimate
Although the first option is certainly possible I think it much more likely that Sidonia did not know her father and merely gave a name for the records in order to hide her illegitimacy. (I have seen this many, many times!)
CT
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