Post by Patrick Nielsen Hayden on Dec 21, 2016 9:57:01 GMT -5
According to the OPC database, my Gx3 grandparents Elizabeth Uren and James Couch (himself bap. 3 May 1816 in St. Ives) were married in St. Ives on 13 Aug 1840. Elizabeth's father is shown as a ropemaker named John Uren, but I've never been able to connect him further to any of the many Urens of western Cornwall.
Any hints, pointers, or blinding revelations would be welcome...
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 21, 2016 14:51:18 GMT -5
1st thing required here it seems will be a correction! The husband of Elizabeth Uren in the 1840 marriage was JAMES Couch who was the son of Anthony, both fisherman. I have James baptized at St Ives 3rd May 1816 to Anthony Couch and Mary Praed who married at St Ives 29th June 1807. Anthony Couch, brother to James, married Charlotte Roskrow at St Ives 13th December 1835.
Elizabeth Uren's parents were John Uren and his first wife Mary Fox who married at Madron 30th May 1814. Mary was buried at St Ives in 1821 after which John married Thomasine Curnow at St Ives in 1836. I currently don't have a baptism date or parents for John Uren partly due to confusion arising from the Census records. In the 1851 Census John is recorded as having been born at St Ives about 1784/5 yet in 1861 his birthplace is given as Marazion c.1780/1. He died in 1862 and was buried at Barnoon Cemetery, St Ives on 28th February 1862. John's age at burial was recorded as 79 which, given he died in February, would indicate he was born about 1782 - given of course that this age was accurate!
There is no John Uren (or variant) baptized at St Ives between 1771 and 1787 but it is possible he may have been born at St Ives but baptized elsewhere. However there is just one possible baptism recorded in the St Hilary Parish Register -
John son of Philip and Anne Urine baptized 4th September 1781 at Marazion
This seems most likely to be the father of Elizabeth Uren but it would be wise to check for possible early burials or even for another possible marriage for John just to be sure. On the other hand there are but four Uren (sic.) baptisms at St Hilary/Marazion up to 1840 which would indicate Philip and Ann were from elsewhere. There are three children baptized at St Ives to Philip and Ann Uren in 1784 and 1791 - in 1791 a daughter was baptized in March and another daughter in September however the first child had been born in 1788. The likely marriage would be:-
Philip Uren of St Ives, tinner, and Ann Odgers of St Agnes, sojourner, married at St Ives 28th March 1777
I think that is a reasonable starting point and hopefully it is on the right track.
Post by Patrick Nielsen Hayden on Dec 21, 2016 18:04:40 GMT -5
Cripes, yes, of course Elizabeth Uren's husband was James Couch, not his father Anthony Couch. Evidently my brain and my typing fingers were not on speaking terms when I posted that. Because this board is visible to Google, I have edited the original post, but let it be acknowledged here that I am an idiot.
Thank you very much for the gift of Mary Fox. I will follow up on the stuff you suggest.
Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 21, 2016 19:04:15 GMT -5
You're not on your pat malone .... I've made more than a couple of similar errors and will no doubt do so again. The good thing is that the error has been corrected so future readers of the post will not be confused.
Hopefully a couple of Uren researchers will might read your post and get involved to help track the family a little further. Any other queries you might have just post them and I will do what I can to help.
Post by Patrick Nielsen Hayden on Aug 29, 2019 7:04:50 GMT -5
Just to follow up on this a few years later: I found death dates for James and Elizabeth Uren. Knowing that, as you say, Elizabeth's father was buried in 1862 at Barnoon Cemetery, I searched up Find a Grave's list of several hundred gravestone photographs from there -- and found what is certainly the stone for both of them plus their son Thomas Henry Couch. According to the stone, James died 27 Oct 1881, aged 66, and Elizabeth died 14 Apr 1887, aged 70.