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Post by trevenen on Jul 16, 2016 10:29:24 GMT -5
I am trying to find the correct father for Frederick Trevenen. I found that his father is listed as Thomas Trevenen, but apparently Thomas was everyone's favorite name in the Trevenen family.There are a million of them. Finding the exact one has become difficult. I have some details below to narrow it down. Any help would be much appreciated.
Frederick Trevenen
Father: Thomas Trevenen
Mother: Margaret (Symonds) Trevenen
Birth: September, 1851, Trenwith, St. Uny Lelant, Cornwall
Baptized: December, 1851, St Uny Lelant, Cornwall
Death: 1916, South Fork, Cambria County, PA, USA
Spouse: Married Elizabeth Catherine (Hampton) Trevenen in 1871
Emigration: Arrived in the United States in June, 1873
Children:
Frederick Trevenen Jr.
Edmund Trevenen
Frank Trevenen
James Trevenen
Arthur Trevenen
John Trevenen
Harry Dewey Trevenen
Carrie Harrison Custer
Ida Margaret Lehman
Mary Finan
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Post by sue on Jul 16, 2016 11:51:06 GMT -5
here is your Frederick's family in the 1861 census: Civil Parish: Uny Lelant Ecclesiastical Parish: - Folio: 65 Page: 14 Schedule: 81 Address: Lower Trenoweth Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks TREVENEN Thomas Head M M 57 Agent In Tine Mine Cornwall - Redruth TREVENEN Margaret Wife M F 56 - Cornwall - Kenwyn TREVENEN Elisha Son U M 23 Tin Miner Cornwall - Gwennap TREVENEN Caroline Dau U F 21 - Cornwall - Gwennap TREVENEN James Son U M 18 Tin Miner Cornwall - Gwennap TREVENEN Edwin Son U M 15 Scholar Cornwall - Gwennap TREVENEN Arthur Son - M 13 Scholar Cornwall - Gwennap TREVENEN Fredrick Son - M 9 Scholar Cornwall-Uny Lelant HASTINGS Elizabeth Servnt - F 15 General Servant Lancashire - Liverpool This can be found on www.freecen.org.ukThe family can also be found there in 1851 (pre the birth of Frederick). If you look for them in 1841, they are still at Gwennap - very useful, your Frederick having older siblings named Elisha & Caroline. Now, you can see from these 3 census entries that Thomas Trevenen the father was born about 1803. A good place to start looking for his baptism would be www.cornwall-opc-database.orgDon't forget that spellings varied according to what people thought they heard, so use wildcards. Trevenning for example is a likely alternative spelling. And don't forget to look for likely brothers & sisters for Thomas. I would also bear in mind that in 1841 Thomas & Margaret are enumerated at Scorier Gate Gwennap; Folio 6 Page 4. I think you might find other Trevenens at Scorier Gate........ Just some starters....  Sue |
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Post by trevenen on Jul 16, 2016 12:21:18 GMT -5
Thank you for the information Sue! That gives me a great start. With all the Thomas', John's and James', it was getting very confusing. It looks like Frederick kept that recycling of names going by naming most of his children after his siblings. Now I can focus on one person and see where that takes me. Strange that the family was in Gwennap in 1841, Frederick was born in Lelant in 1851 and baptized 3 months later in 1851 in Lelant and the family was still shown as living in Gwennap in 1861. Perhaps they moved around.
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Post by sue on Jul 16, 2016 12:57:43 GMT -5
Ooops, I may have expressed myself badly!
By "1841 still at Gwennap" I was referring to the fact that at the 1827 St Agnes marriage of Thomas Trevenen & Margaret Symons, Thomas was "of Gwennap".
So, in censues: 1841 family at Gwennap; 1851 at Lelant; 1861 at Lelant; 1871 at Lelant.
As to baptisms for the children of Thomas & Margaret ( & don't forget Peggy is short for Margaret), I think Frederick might be the 1st at Lelant.
Sue
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Post by trevenen on Jul 16, 2016 13:20:02 GMT -5
Ah. That makes perfect sense now as I am looking through the links you provided. The family was at Gwennap and then relocated to Lelant. In the 1841 census they are all born in Gwennap and place of census Gwennap. In the 1851 census they are listed as birthplace Gwennap and place of census Lelant. They most have moved between the 1841 and 1851 census. Frederick must have been born directly after the 1851 census because he does not show up. He appears in the 1861 census, age 9, born in Lelant with place of census Lelant.
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Post by sue on Jul 16, 2016 14:36:33 GMT -5
So, siblings for Frederick as Elizabeth, Mary, Thomas Henry (died of smallpox), Thomas Henry, William John, Elisha, Caroline, James, Edwin, Arthur.... You probably know this, but it was usual (but not compulsory!) for the 1st girl to be named for the mother's mother; 1st boy for the father's father; 2nd girl for the father's mother & so on. I'm a bit tempted to take a short cut and look for the baptisms of anyone by the name of Elisha Treve% in the 1800s/1810s... eh voila! Elisha Trevenen 1819 Redruth to Thomas & Elisabeth. I think that's a strong hint that he could well be a paternal uncle to your Frederick Trevenen i.e. brother to the Thomas Trevenen you are trying to identify; and from there you can look for other baptism to parents Tho% Treve% & Eli% in the relevant timeframe i.e. early 1800s... And then when you have the earliest apparent child - if you like the look of these & there is a Thomas baptised at the right time to be your Frederick's father  -, you'll be able to look with reasonable certainty for the marriage of Thomas & Elizabeth on www.cornwall-opc-database.orgBurials can be found there too. Here's another really informative website, that should keep you quiet for many hours, all about the west of Cornwall: west-penwith.org.ukSue |
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Post by trevenen on Jul 16, 2016 15:01:15 GMT -5
That is great information Sue. Thank you again.
I am very new to searching. I was not aware of how the children's names were generally chosen. That is good knowledge.
I had thought about using one of the ancestry services, but I am not sure if I could totally trust the results they gave me.
Searching on my own gives me the piece of mind that I have found the real family line. Added bonus, I learn quite a bit about where I came from. It is quite time consuming, but I enjoy solving puzzles.
I greatly appreciate the sources you have pointed me to. I would still be stumbling around without them. They will most likely eat up many future hours.
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Post by sue on Jul 16, 2016 15:29:28 GMT -5
The Cornwall OPC site has a page on naming patterns, @ www.cornwall-opc.org/Resc/naming_patternsSearching on your own in original records (more practically, online transcribed-from-the-original records) is definitely the way to go, yes. And there are plenty of free records available online for Cornwall to keep you quiet for the time being! (Not to mention digital images of the parish records for much of Cornwall on FamilySearch - but that is perhaps for later.) The way not to go is other people's trees and just lift information & copy it from there – the multiplier of errors/shoddy “research” out there is horrendous!  ( More generously, some of it is the best that people could come up with some years ago, when access to records was more limited.) And if you were thinking of paying someone else to research your line - simply unnecessary for Cornwall ( or most other places in England, to be frank.) And where's the satisfaction in that?!! Yes, researching your ancestors in this way is time consuming hours and hours of pleasure solving puzzles – and the satisfaction of knowing you did it yourself as you say, and learning all sorts of bits & pieces about the Cornish way of life as you go..... Enjoy – and if you get stuck, come back with any particular queries. People like CT have a wealth of knowledge and analytical research ability that I can only dream of! |
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Post by roadrunner on Jul 16, 2016 16:01:01 GMT -5
Hi Trevenen 1851 census HO/107/1917 Folio233/Page15 -Folio 234/Page16 EDa[ hello Sue]
Thomas 48 ALL born Gwennap
Margaret 46
Mary 21
Thomas H 16 Mine Blacksmith
John 15
Elisha 13
James 8
Caroline 11
Edwin 5
Arthur 3
Regards Roadrunner
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Jul 16, 2016 22:59:36 GMT -5
Hi Trevenen and Welcome to the site. I see Sue has been helping you out and giving you some very good advice and I am very pleased, and impressed, by your attitude to research! Ancestry Trees 'can' be useful at times but only normally as a means to find something reliable. There are a number out there that are very good but it is best to treat them all as 'suspect' and check everything for yourself. Same thing with Ancestry and its 'hints'. I find that little 'gift' to us all from Ancestry an insult to our intelligence to be honest but, once again, I have heard of people occasionally finding something useful from them. The problem is that many have the tendency to accept everything that pops up in front of them as the gospel truth and follow it blindly. No need for me to add anything more at the moment as Sue has pointed you in all the right directions. But I will keep an eye on new posts and help out where necessary. Any questions you have just ask and we will do our best to answer. CT |
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Post by jdt on Dec 6, 2016 13:47:09 GMT -5
Hi: Thomas (1802- was the older brother of my forebear, James Trevenen (spelled Trevening at the time). James Luke, James' son emigrated to Australia in the 1850's in search of gold. Thomas' father was also named Thomas (1776-1834), his father was Edward (c1730-c1811), They were miners and in the 1840's lived in the Scorrier area.
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-, you'll be able to look with reasonable certainty for the marriage of Thomas & Elizabeth on 
( More generously, some of it is the best that people could come up with some years ago, when access to records was more limited.) And if you were thinking of paying someone else to research your line - simply unnecessary for Cornwall ( or most other places in England, to be frank.) And where's the satisfaction in that?!!
