Martyn Gubbe Gubbes

[dangereuse]

Good Afternoon,

I am trying to find the parentage of Martyn Gubbs, who married Cheston Lanyon in St Ives, Cornwall on 30 Jan 1699. I have purchased various wills from the Cornwall Record Office -

Catherine Gubbs AP/6/3094

Alice Gubbs AP/6/805/2

Cheston or Christian Gubbs nee Lanyon administration AP/6/3060/2

Sampson Gubbes AP/6/3043/1

An Gubbes AP/6/842

Would anyone have already researched this and be able to advise any documents I need to acquire please

Many Thanks

Kind Regards

David

[Cornish Terrier]

Hi David - I have not done any research on this family aside from adding the marriage of Martin Gubbs and Cheston Lanyon to my database. But it is interesting to note that the earliest recorded baptism for the name in the OPC records is at Madron in 1701.
It is possible that there may be at least one child baptised at St Ives after the marriage but I have not yet tried to investigate that possibility. The key point is that Martin and Cheston were located at Madron/Penzance almost immediately after the marriage.


Two interesting things stand out in the early baptism records - 1. that the first child of Martin baptised at Madron in 1701 is named Anthony and 2. that at the same time there is a Mr Anthony Gubbs also baptising children at Madron. This suggests strongly that Anthony and Martin are brothers and also that their father may also have been named Anthony.

Records for Madron are freely available on FamilySearch but there is a gap between about the 1670s and 1700 which means unfortunately that a number of records for this family might be lost. Records for the period before this are very difficult to read but would be worth searching but the fact only Martin and Anthony appear to be the only Gubbs/Gubbes active in in Cornwall around 1700 suggests the family may be late-comers.

If you have not already done so then you should also check the 1641 Protestation Returns for Cornwall as well as the 1662/1664 Hearth Tax. There are transcriptions for both of these on the OPC site although I am not quite sure how complete they are.

CT

[dangereuse]

Jun 26, 2016 4:17:20 GMT -5 Cornish Terrier said:

Hi David - I have not done any research on this family aside from adding the marriage of Martin Gubbs and Cheston Lanyon to my database. But it is interesting to note that the earliest recorded baptism for the name in the OPC records is at Madron in 1701.
It is possible that there may be at least one child baptised at St Ives after the marriage but I have not yet tried to investigate that possibility. The key point is that Martin and Cheston were located at Madron/Penzance almost immediately after the marriage.

If you have not already done so then you should also check the 1641 Protestation Returns for Cornwall as well as the 1662/1664 Hearth Tax. There are transcriptions for both of these on the OPC site although I am not quite sure how complete they are.
CT

Dear CT,

thank you I did not know there was such a thing as the Protestation Return until looking through the posts here yesterday, the ECW era is not my strong suit.

I was thinking of Anthony as a potential father rather than brother, Alice Gubbs has a husband Anthony and a son Anthony, (no mention of Martyn), so it seems probable Martyn may have had a brother named Anthony as well. I will certainly check the hearth tax return.

I think you are correct that they are not from this area as I found yesterday a land document on the Devon RO site, which gives Anthony Gubbes (senior) as son of Joseph Gubbes of Plymouth, Merchant.

Thank you very much for your advice as my knowledge of Cornwall is extremely weak, however I'm hoping to visit the area soon.

Best wishes

David

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From the Phillimore Parish Records of Devon there is a marriage of a Robert Gubbes to a Thomasine Fox
in St Andrews Church, Plymouth, Devon.
They were married 4th November, 1610.

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There are also other matches available from Devon Phillimores for both Male and Female Gubbes
from 1589 onwards.

[dangereuse]

Jun 26, 2016 10:22:22 GMT -5 @karlan said:

There are also other matches available from Devon Phillimores for both Male and Female Gubbes
from 1589 onwards.

Thank you Karlan,

I have had a busy afternoon looking at Devon Parish records and pieced together a Gubbs family tree starting in Plymouth and moving to Penzance, but still no sign of Martyn. Have not goiven up hope.

Many Thanks

David

[Cornish Terrier]

David - there is obviously a strong possibility that the family at Madron/Penzance came from Devon so it is quite possible that a baptism for Martin Gubbes may not be found.
As I mentioned in my last, there is a period at Madron/Penzance during the latter part of the 17th Century for which registers appear to have not survived. If the family moved from Devon during this period then it could be that the baptism of Martin, and possibly others, occurred during this time. But I should also point out that there are gaps in the registers of many Cornwall parishes particularly prior to 1700 with Sennen and St Levan having no surviving registers prior to about 1695-1700.

CT

[mountmathews]

Hi there. Apologies, only just stumbled over this forum while looking for Gubbs clues. I'm also researching this old family and have found a fair few bits and pieces. Notably, Anthony Gubbs (son of Anthony Gubbs, baptised 30 Dec 1625) would become mayor of Penzance 1656 and issued a farthing token in 1667. Looking at Madron parish burial records back to 1628, it appears that Anthony, Sampson, Martin/Martyn and Joseph were the main male family names, Anthony and Sampson alternating from one generation to the next.

The National Archives hold some legal documents for cases involving the Gubbs family - Gubbs vs Doble (1647) and Gubbs vs Martin (1688). I ordered a copy of the former (which I need to get someone to transcribe) and I'm about to order a copy of the latter. The wills listed in the original post are also on my shopping list. Did they turn up anything interesting?

Gubbs family members also turn up in a couple of other people's wills from the early 1700's. Feel free to PM me and I'll send further details.

Also, I've looked through the Madron parish records transcribed back in the 19th c and there are large gaps in the late 17th c due to water damage. It's a shame, because that's when Margery Gubbs was born and it is she who married into my family back in 1714.