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Post by marychown on Dec 23, 2015 5:04:01 GMT -5
I am wondering if anybody can offer any suggestions in the following case. I have a birth certificate for Benjamin Nicholls: 'Registration District, Penzance; 1849 birth in the sub-district of Penzance in the country of Cornwall - No. 328. Born on 23 February 1849 at Quay, Penzance. Benjamin, boy, father John Nicholls, mother Sophia Nicholls formerly Hill; Father's occupation Shoemaker. The mark of Sophia Nicholls, mother of the Quay, Penzance. Birth registered 5 March 1849 - signature of the Registrar John James'.
Benjamin was baptised at St. Mary's Church, Penzance on 25 January 1856 together with four other siblings. His baptism is recorded in St. Mary's Parish Register (FP/179/1/4: Benjamin, son of John and Sophia Nicholls of Penzance (7 years old) received into the Church - baptised 6 years ago. I have a copy of this entry from St. Mary's Baptism register. Benjamin's christening is also to be found online at Familysearch.org England Births and Christenings 1538-1975: Benjamin, son of John and Sophia Nicholls (104434-6; England EASy; GS film no. 1796106; Ref. ID p287. None of his other 4 siblings baptised on that day have on their baptism record that they had been baptised previously. Two older siblings had been baptised on 9 January 1842 at St. Mary's, yet they were not received into the Church on 25 January 1856 alongside Benjamin.
Although on the 25 January 1856 baptism record it states that Benjamin was baptised 6 years previously, I have so far been unable to track down a record of his baptism in 1849/1850.
Of course, I am wondering why Benjamin was received into the Church on that day when he had been baptised earlier.
I would be most grateful to receive suggestions from any members.
Regards,
Mary
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Post by tenpoundpom on Dec 23, 2015 6:59:30 GMT -5
I am wondering if anybody can offer any suggestions in the following case. I have a birth certificate for Benjamin Nicholls: 'Registration District, Penzance; 1849 birth in the sub-district of Penzance in the country of Cornwall - No. 328. Born on 23 February 1849 at Quay, Penzance. Benjamin, boy, father John Nicholls, mother Sophia Nicholls formerly Hill; Father's occupation Shoemaker. The mark of Sophia Nicholls, mother of the Quay, Penzance. Birth registered 5 March 1849 - signature of the Registrar John James'. Benjamin was baptised at St. Mary's Church, Penzance on 25 January 1856 together with four other siblings. His baptism is recorded in St. Mary's Parish Register (FP/179/1/4: Benjamin, son of John and Sophia Nicholls of Penzance (7 years old) received into the Church - baptised 6 years ago. I have a copy of this entry from St. Mary's Baptism register. Benjamin's christening is also to be found online at Familysearch.org England Births and Christenings 1538-1975: Benjamin, son of John and Sophia Nicholls (104434-6; England EASy; GS film no. 1796106; Ref. ID p287. None of his other 4 siblings baptised on that day have on their baptism record that they had been baptised previously. Two older siblings had been baptised on 9 January 1842 at St. Mary's, yet they were not received into the Church on 25 January 1856 alongside Benjamin. Although on the 25 January 1856 baptism record it states that Benjamin was baptised 6 years previously, I have so far been unable to track down a record of his baptism in 1849/1850. Of course, I am wondering why Benjamin was received into the Church on that day when he had been baptised earlier. I would be most grateful to receive suggestions from any members. Regards, Mary Images of the register show a lot of "older" children from several different families were baptised on that day. Some of them were noted as previously "privately baptised", so I suspect that Benjamin had been privately baptised during a period of sickness as an infant. Maybe a few years later the parish cleric rounded up all the kids not on the parish record and regularised them as a job lot on the 25th Jan. Many private baptisms would not have been entered in the parish record at the time, especially if the baptisms had not been performed by the local cleric. Private baptisms were usually performed when there was immediate fear that the child would die, and go to hell as unbaptised, rather than baptised and go to heaven. Midwives and others could perform baptisms in these circumstances. Just an hypothesis. This also be worth a read, though it is applied to Lincolnshire www.localpopulationstudies.org.uk/PDF/LPS12/LPS12_1974_25-27.pdfSimon |
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Post by Cornish Terrier on Dec 23, 2015 8:04:12 GMT -5
A lot of children were privately baptised and then later baptised publicly at which time they were noted as 'received into the Church'.
Sometimes those earlier private baptisms were recorded in the register but there were certainly times when they were not. Some records I have seen show that a child was received into the Church on a certain date 'having been privately baptised' previously. Again the date is sometimes noted and other times not.
It is also not uncommon for a child to have been baptised in a non-conformist Chapel and then to have been baptised again at a later date in the 'Established Church'. In the later baptism that may also be recorded as 'received into the Church'.
CT
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Post by marychown on Dec 23, 2015 10:38:17 GMT -5
A lot of children were privately baptised and then later baptised publicly at which time they were noted as 'received into the Church'. Sometimes those earlier private baptisms were recorded in the register but there were certainly times when they were not. Some records I have seen show that a child was received into the Church on a certain date 'having been privately baptised' previously. Again the date is sometimes noted and other times not. It is also not uncommon for a child to have been baptised in a non-conformist Chapel and then to have been baptised again at a later date in the 'Established Church'. In the later baptism that may also be recorded as 'received into the Church'. CT Many thanks to you both CT and Tenpoundpom for helping explain what was probably the case regarding the baptism of Benjamin Nicholls. Have a lovely Christmas and a happy New Year Regards, Mary |
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Post by roadrunner on Jan 14, 2016 6:20:19 GMT -5
Hi Mary Could it be a mass confirmation service
Just a thought
Regards roadrunner
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Post by marychown on Jan 14, 2016 10:54:21 GMT -5
Hi Mary Could it be a mass confirmation service Just a thought Regards roadrunner Thanks for this suggestion, Roadrunner. I just found it rather odd that Benjamin was the only child in his family to have this note on his baptism entry. All the best, Mary |
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Post by hilary on Feb 25, 2016 15:22:15 GMT -5
Nice to read about my 3 x great uncle, Benjamin and also 3 x great grandparents. Hope the mystery has been solved and that you are well Mary! xxx
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Post by marychown on Feb 26, 2016 4:19:56 GMT -5
Nice to read about my 3 x great uncle, Benjamin and also 3 x great grandparents. Hope the mystery has been solved and that you are well Mary! xxx Nice to catch up with you on here Cousin Hilary. I have still not been able to find a previous baptism for Benjamin. All the very best, Mary xx |
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